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#31 10 years ago
NiteStryker;4812964But for lesser crime, just straight execution is perfect. You break a law you dont live.

Then all of you fuckers are going out with me. Hahaha! Get it? It's an old idea, the outlaw, 'may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.' Fact is if I were to break a law and the police come after me under the present system I'd go quietly. Under the system you propose, if you came after me I'd kill as many people as I could just to make it less and less worth your effort. If I steal a bag of sweets is it really worth the lives of thirty people to imprison me? Because it would cost you a lot more than that. The concept of the outlaw was destroyed for a reason, we found it didn't work well.

Asides from which an awful lot of laws are full of shit. I just broke one of my country's laws by posting this, do I deserve to die?




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#32 10 years ago

Well I imagine that same society would not allow civilians to own firearms, let alone any sort of weapon. While such a society sounds horribly brutal, could humanity accomplish more under such rule?




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#33 10 years ago
Nemmerle;4813011Asides from which an awful lot of laws are full of shit. I just broke one of my country's laws by posting this, do I deserve to die?

Imagine all those police officers who would probably have to shoot themselves...




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#34 10 years ago
Nemmerle;4811863A minute ago it was just about vengeance rather than any sort of social harmony. What people choose to take vengeance for, and in what degree, is purely a matter for them to decide.

Its a balancing act. It needs to be defined by society in a way that matches the populace's feelings and beliefs.

Because of the above. At what point does a punishment cease being about social harmony and become vengeance, at what point does vengeance become simple torture out of all proportion to the original crime? The problem is the line drawing. If you're going to assert vengeance then by who's standards of vengeance; in what degree; and why should I agree to that degree?

It's completely irrelevant if you agree or not. All that matters is that a society has a standard that the population finds reasonable. Americans have our own standard. Iranians have theirs. It's absurd to demand that radically different cultures use the same justice system. It just doesn't work that way.

Who cares if it suits the offence? If it's just about vengeance and not about social harmony I should be able to do whatever I like to whoever I feel has slighted me. Fuck fairness, it's not about that anymore; it's just about giving me my pound of bloody screaming flesh so I can feel better, so I can take my revenge.

You misunderstand me. Of course social harmony is still important, but the vengeance factor needs to be acknowledge too. For example, in this case - vengeance demands that the man suffer as much as possible for what he did. Social harmony however demands that the punishment be equal to the offense. In the end, you get eye for eye. The victim receives gratification that the offender lost his eye too, yet social harmony prevents the offender from becoming a bloody smear on the pavement (even if he deserves to be one)




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#35 10 years ago

Jeffro;4812999What if an impoverished father steals to feed his family? How would you deal with such a predicament? [/QUOTE] Thats an age old question anyway so i will offer an answer. Its theft isnt it? Theft is illegal, is it not? There you go.

Jeffro;4812999 The law also needs to murder shoot kids that egg and tee pee houses... [/QUOTE] Hell yea. Vandelism. Illegal, is it not? They can come by and clean up the mess as I poke them with cattle prods within one hour or they can take the 556 to the head. Their choice. I didnt go fucking with them, why do they get away with making a mess on my property?

Jeffro;4812999 Take an aspirin? Shot. Take a sip of booze? Shot.

Obviously I ment illegal drugs. Meth, pot, heroin, crack, the like.

[QUOTE=Jeffro;4812999] Fart in a theatre? Shot. Leave a dirty snot rag on the table? Shot. Clog a public toilet? Shot.

Everyone farts in a theatre, having to sit and inhale other peoples farts is punishment enough already. Leaving a dirty snot rag while not illegal is quite gross and would prolly result in a tazing instead of a shot to the head. Clogging a public toilet would result in your banning of using public toilets for a year, and you will only be notified when you are about to crap yourself and in desperate need of one.

[QUOTE=Jeffro;4812999] Living in perpetual fear and paranoia. Truly the American dream realized.

No, its living in security. Dont break a law (dont steal, dont vandalize, dont murder, the basic laws really) and you are fine, those that do are dealt with.

Chances are if someone has commited a crime, it is not the first time (or if it IS their first time, it wont be the last). Deal with them now. Do you know how much the state of California pays every year per inmate in death row just to keep them alive while their 37th appeal goes thru? Something like several million dollars. My tax dollars go to some child rapist just to make sure he is comfortable as he dies of natural causes WAY before he is executed. Fuck that.

I would love to go see an execution. Lethal injection, firing squad (if its still done), electric chair. Whatever, I would love it.




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#36 10 years ago
NiteStryker;4813614Thats an age old question anyway so i will offer an answer. Its theft isnt it? Theft is illegal, is it not? There you go.

So you believe that EVERY law in this nation is the moral absolute? That the "law is the law" no matter how irrational, arbitrary or draconian it may be?

Obviously I ment illegal drugs. Meth, pot, heroin, crack, the like.

Because cigarettes and alcohol harm no-one. They are legal, therefore they are A-OK. You are making more and more sense as this topic continues...

No, its living in security.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" -Benjamin Franklin

Your beloved forefathers disagree with you.

Something like several million dollars. My tax dollars go to some child rapist just to make sure he is comfortable as he dies of natural causes WAY before he is executed. Fuck that.

How about ending the War on Drugs? Overpopulation gone and money saved.

(Though since the prison industrial complex is making a hefty profit off of that, I'm sure they have a powerful lobby to prevent such action)

I would love to go see an execution. Lethal injection, firing squad (if its still done), electric chair. Whatever, I would love it.

Go out and get laid. I think that will take your mind off of the rampant bloodlust you are craving.




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#37 10 years ago

Jeffro;4813678So you believe that EVERY law in this nation is the moral absolute? That the "law is the law" no matter how irrational, arbitrary or draconian it may be? [/QUOTE] Stealing is stealing, nomatter the reason. The law doesnt say "do not steal unless it for or purpose.

Jeffro;4813678 Because cigarettes and alcohol harm no-one. They are legal, therefore they are A-OK. You are making more and more sense as this topic continues...[/QUOTE] Exactly. They are legal. They hurt you, but they are legal. So its the individuals choice to use them. Secondhand smoke hurts me yes, but the government doesnt care enough to make it illegal to smoke. And drunk in public, where it can hurt me, is illegal.

Jeffro;4813678 "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" -Benjamin Franklin

Your beloved forefathers disagree with you.

What essential liberty? Someone breaking into my house and stealing my tv is an essential liberty? I dont think so.

[QUOTE=Jeffro;4813678] How about ending the War on Drugs? Overpopulation gone and money saved.

Because they are illegal. I dont know why more criminals are not being shot over that war.

[QUOTE=Jeffro;4813678] Go out and get laid. I think that will take your mind off of the rampant bloodlust you are craving.

Married, get it every night, and I still want to see an execution. Fallout 3 is doing a ok job at quenching bloodlust for now, wait till tomorrow tho.




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#38 10 years ago

NiteStryker subscribes to the belief that if it is illegal it is wrong,and if it is legal it is right. Personally, the only person I trust to decide what is right and wrong is myself. No government will ever dictate my morality.




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#39 10 years ago
Afterburner;4814124 No government will ever dictate my morality.

They don't, its just their morality that matters most! :lol:




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#40 10 years ago
Dr. Awesome;4814127They don't, its just their morality that matters most! :lol:

They can push all they want. It'll come to nothing.