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#1 9 years ago

I thought this could be an intersting topic that could and I hope not be in the offical "Religion Disscusion thread". Anyways. Is it any wonder that some should seek the illumination of the East, turning to Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, New Age philosophies or expressions of Paganism for answers to the heart? Within these philosophical traditions many Westerners are discovering a renewed sense of faith and humanity, and, even more significant, a renewed sense of communion with the spiritual nature of the world surrounding them. Through an investigation and practice of the ancient religious traditions of humankind, practitioners of Neo-Paganism are experiencing a return to the sacred relationship achieved by the Ancients; namely a relationship in which humankind and the Divine are united within every quality of life, where the living world is directly experienced as the dwelling place of the Gods. Sorta got this idea form other thread burn the witches. Anyways I know we must have some Neo-pagans on this fourm. So why not share the love? Why did you "turn" from monotheist views to polytheist views? Well for me, it was very simple Christianity and me where like oil and water it didn't quite get along with me to well, I recall a few tough spots I was in going to high school. It got to the point where before 2004 I was Atheist for a bit but something drew me into Kemet and I was taken back by the beauty of the Theology drew little old me who swore to himself that he was done with religon back '04. I'd go into more detail but most of it is quite personal, so hehe I'll leave that out rest I sound emo-ish. Then again our Monotheist counterparts can join into a learn, after all learning is a great way to expand the mind.


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#2 9 years ago

I'm proud to call myself a pagan, though it too me awhile to get there.

For the longest part of my life, I was just you're average agnostic kid, not really caring about religion or such, and supporting evolution and such. However, over the past 5, 6 years of my life, I found myself more and more agreeing with certain basic pagan tenents in beliefs on reincarnation, the spirit world, and magick. I even had some experiences personally that have greatly affected not only my life, but which pushed me further into the religion, I'm not sure if I should talk about them now. Needless to say, it was a bit traumitizing, and the only explanations that I could agree with lay with paganistic beliefs in the spirit world, and magick (in this case, it was specifically black magick=/). I found myself more and more agreeing on things, the idea that certain gemstones hold special properties (I'm not saying that wearing aymatheyst around your neck will bring you success or such automatically, but I'm saying that the stone does affect your mind and brain, pushing you towards that ideal), and I found myself agreeing that, in some sense, the Earth is alive, imparting qualities of its "life" to that which is of it. I support the ideas of evolution as being a part of this, in that all life sprang from the earth, ie, the first microbial life.

Beyond that, reincarnation wise, I believe that we contain two things, the soul, and the spirit. The spirit is our conciousness, and is the collection of who we are, thus being that which moves on to the spirit world when we die. The soul however is more like the spark of life, energy if you will. I believe that that energy is constantly recycyled through time, and (here's where science helps), that since all energy IS tied together (ie, if you effect a proton on one side of the earth, it'll change things on the other side), I also believe that all our energies are tied. I believe that friendship is not so much caused by random chance, but by ties between two souls that bring them close. I believe that even love is that, being the exact match to your energy, your soul. I even see that in our language, as all languages speak of love as forever, soul mates, etc.... I don't think that is a conincidence that those are the words our minds subconciously decided to mean ever lasting love.

I also do believe in magick, that being different from magic though. Magic is pulling a rabbit out of a hat. Magick is prayer at an altar to ask the spirits of your family, which guard and protect you, as well as the symbols you have been drawn to as protection (for me, the dragon), to support you and help you and your loved ones. Its not, imo, something that happens like, you ask for a ton of money, and you get it. You can ask for support, for help to make your way through life, or hard times, or such, much like christian prayer. THe difference is who you're praying to, and how.

My altar is currently a temp thing, my parents don't even know I have one. I have several candles of varying colors to represent various things, a bag of salt to form a pentecle (I do not have an altar cloth yet :( ), some small bowls for various offerings, and one bowl for burning paper, upon which I write various prayers, before burning the paper, as way of sending the message to the spirits.

Anyways, that's prob a poor way of summing up my beliefs as best I can...but yeah.>__




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#3 9 years ago

Never would have pegged you as being a Pagan, Von Mudra.

I'm far too straightforward to be particularly religious. It's not so much that I don't believe in any kind of God, I more just don't see the point. That said I've always been fascinated by the various Pagan beliefs and have been interested in Mythology for as long as I can remember.




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#4 9 years ago

You're not very observant then... :P




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#5 9 years ago
Von Mudra;4895207You're not very observant then... :P

Nothing to see here, move along *whistles* :lookaround:




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Von Mudra;4895194 Beyond that, reincarnation wise, I believe that we contain two things, the soul, and the spirit. The spirit is our conciousness, and is the collection of who we are, thus being that which moves on to the spirit world when we die. The soul however is more like the spark of life, energy if you will.[/QUOTE]

We call that the Ka our Double Conscience and the spirit. Also at the same the Ka or soul is the proporty of holiness, that was given to us by Neb Ra-Djar "Lord to the Farthest Reaches of Creation" that we might come to know the Gods threw our Ka's and our yearning to know the Gods. Much like you did.

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Know that I have separated your flesh and your Spirit, and have thus granted life to your Ka through the greatness of My Wish! And this Ka of yours dwelling in the house of your flesh is not your flesh, and likewise your flesh does not dwell in your Ka. Even as your flesh is the property of your mother and your father, your Ka which I have bestowed is the property of Holiness, and it is the Child of all the Nutjeru, the Going Forth of the Bull to his Herds; and listen here to what I say to you, for the Ka of which I have bestowed to humankind is the Bull, the Lord of the Herds, and the Herds are humankind; thus those who have mastery over their Kas are thus Masters amidst men and women, while those who have not are the cows, the sheltered by the Bull, and thus they inhale his Scent and follow after his Illumination.

You should know these things because of this Ka I have placed as the tenant in your flesh, this Ka of yours that I have fashioned after My Ka and bestowed with the Qualities of Excellence, Wisdom, and Holiness! You should know that I Myself make selection of My Forms and My Members, I Who created but was not himself created; I Who fashioned the bodies of all living things, but Whose Body was not Itself fashioned!

[QUOTE=Von Mudra;4895194] My altar is currently a temp thing, my parents don't even know I have one. I have several candles of varying colors to represent various things, a bag of salt to form a pentecle (I do not have an altar cloth yet :( ), some small bowls for various offerings, and one bowl for burning paper, upon which I write various prayers, before burning the paper, as way of sending the message to the spirits.

you should see my Kara quite pretty.

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  1. The Kara or Altar should be raised from the ground, and must be free from dust, dirt, and clutter.
  2. Traditionally, the Kara is constructed from wood, and may be covered with gold leaf, intricately carved, and inlaid with semiprecious stones.
  3. After the Kara is given over to the Deity, it should be covered with an altar cloth before the Deity Icons are placed on it. A Kara covering should be of a smooth fabric such as fine linen, cotton, silk or brocade, and most common are pure white, lapis blue, light blue, purple or gold and silver brocade as cloth colors.
  4. After the Kara is formally blessed and dedicated to the Nutjer, it is regarded as inappropriate to touch it or the Deity Icons with the left hand. Only the right hand should be used when removing or adding offerings, icons, or when touching the Kara itself.
  5. Never wear shoes during Duwa, or enter your Shrine Room or Holy Space wearing shoes. These are always removed before engaging in Duwa as a gesture of humility and respect before the Nutjeru.
  6. The Tuwt Nutjer or Deity Images should be placed higher than the offering vessels and the Eternal Flame, therefore, it is advisable to obtain two separate tables for Kara usage. The tallest should be used for the Kara proper, where the Deity Icons are placed, while the lower becomes the hotepuwt or offering table. This is especially suggested as a means of preventing ashes, flames, and dripping candles from soiling the altar cloth or damaging the Deity Icons.
  7. The hotepuwt or offering table should be placed directly before the Kara Itself, and should consist of the following items: An earthenware bowl for purified water, another for milk, a smaller vessel for honey, a burner or container for incense offerings, a brass, silver, gold or metal bowl for food offerings, a vase for floral offerings, and an oil lamp or container for the candle to be used as the Nasart Nahah or Eternal Flame.
  8. A flame, fire, or (because of safety precautions) electric lamp should be present on the offering table at all times. All Nuhati Paruw (Temples) and Shrines have a home for the Eternal Flame as a signification of the Bartah, the Covenant between the Nutjer and Its Disciples as ordained by the Lord Auwsar when He founded the Duwa Practices upon which the Nutjer Nuhati rests. The Nasart Nahah signifies the home of a faithful Disciple (Shomsu) of the Nuhati Doctrines, and represents the Presence of the Protector Deity under which the House or Temple has been established. To the faithful, the Eternal Flame signifies the Great Presence of the Divine, the Light of love and compassion and eternal life that is the inheritance of all those who walk the Path of Truth.
  9. A copy of the Wisdom Teachings, the Holy Scriptures, or an image representing the Divine Wisdom (usually Djahuty, the Divine Mind of the God-Head, in His hibi or ibis form or in the guise of the Holy Baboon) almost always accompanies the Kara, and is placed directly beneath the Kara Itself. This represents the Doctrine of Virtue and Truth upon which the Nutjer Nuhati was established by Its Founder, Neb Auwsar, Bringer of the Devotional Psalms Proyat-Am-Haru.
Duwa is traditionally performed thrice daily, however, if this is impossible because of domestic/worldly responsibilities, the early morning or late evening can become the consecrated times for Duwa Practice. The food and beverage offerings from the previous Duwa should be removed and changed, and any wilting floral arrangements discarded. Food offerings do not necessarily remain before the Kara, but may be consecrated and then removed almost immediately. It is a common practice for devotees to use their own meals as hotepu or peace offerings, and then to take them back and eat them in order to partake of djafa, that is, the materialized blessings of the Nutjer Presence. There are many modes of Duwa, some of which take the form of prostrations and prayers only, and others concerned with the recitation of the Divine Psalms. Still others incorporate the blessing of Deity Icons with milk and honey and incense. Common to all modes of Duwa is Hotepu or Peace Offering, which consists principally of food, incense, and floral offerings, and is then completed with the bathing and dressing of the Tuwt Nutjer or Divine Image. Offerings should be carefully arranged, and placed according to type in their respective containers before Duwa is conducted. An offering of milk, a bowl of purified water, and a container of honey should be arranged together on a round platter, this having been sprinkled with purified water or Nutjer hanqi, the Divine nectar usually composed of a sweet juice such as pomegranate juice mixed with honey. Flowers such as lilies may be used to garnish the offering tray, which will then be used as part of the floral offerings presented to the Nutjer. Food offerings are also arranged according to type on a separate offering platter, and almost always consist of bread, green onions, leeks, ears of corn, dates, figs, and pomegranates. Food offerings are also sprinkled with purified water as a gesture of reverence, and to bless the food to sanctify it for the Presence of the Nutjer. All fruits and vegetables, rice, and blessed foods are appropriate for hotepu, if they are being given as an act of love and true devotion to the Deity. Any meat offerings must not contain blood, but should be cooked thoroughly and anointed with blessed water before being given over to the Shrine of the God. The ritual of Sansa or Anointing usually takes place during formal Duwa, as this is when the Deity Image is bathed and blessed with Holy Oil before being dressed and reinstalled on the Kara. Therefore, it is advisable to have a shallow dish set aside specifically for receiving the Deity Image for Sansa rites, when water, milk, honey, and scented oils are poured over the God's limbs as an act of reverence. Before engaging in Duwa, prepare the Kara and the immediate area surrounding it by spreading a trail of incense over the room and the Deity Icons on the Kara. You may repeat any prayers or the simple chant Hotepu uwsert Nutjeru, duwa di uwsert Nutjeru as many times as you wish. This will invite the Deities to take part in your Duwa, and expel any negativities that may be clinging to your presence.

Unlike the Wicca version of the Altar, our Altar is always consider an active "gateway" where the Nutjer live so we never usually put it away or anything like that our Gods bless the Altar and thus it becomes there Home so I usually keep the altar some where other then my room (so I don't have sex in the same room my altar is in).


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#7 9 years ago

Very cool! I wish you could post a photo of your Kara, I bet its beautiful. My altar is mostly just a temporary thing, as I said. My girlfriend though has a permanent altar:

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#8 9 years ago

Von Mudra;4896073Very cool! I wish you could post a photo of your Kara, I bet its beautiful. My altar is mostly just a temporary thing, as I said. My girlfriend though has a permanent altar:

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I could post one of my firends..but I need to ask first before hand. You should keep your Shrine clean like not clutter wise :P.

Anyways I'm wonder which diety (sp?) is your primary one you pray to.


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#9 9 years ago

Well, that's my girlfriends, and I'm not gonna question her on how she does her altar. I think I said at one point, maybe, not sure, but she's her family's head witch, so she knows what she's doing :P

We don't pray to any deity, hell, I'm an agnostic, and Anahi is an atheist. Instead, we pray to spirits of deceased relatives for comfort and support, and she also uses the altar to practice white magick.




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#10 9 years ago

That really makes no sense, your gal pal practices Wicca but is atheist but at the same try prays to Spirits...Hummmm you see anything wrong with that?


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