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#1 11 years ago

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/11/california.prop8.trial/index.html

For those of you outside of the States, a while back California passed something known as "Proposition 8" and the "California Marriage Protection Ban"- a ban on gay marriage.

Well, a gay (not yet married) couple have stepped up to the plate arguing that the act is unconstitutional.

The case is likely headed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

In the event that you don't live in the States, the Court is one of the 3 main branches of government. It essentially interprets the law and the Constitution, and decides the constitutionality of laws.

The effect that the Supreme Court has on the country is quite large. If the court decides that a law is unconstitutional, that law and all similar laws are deemed unconstitutional and the entire country must comply with the decision. For example, if the court rules in favor of the couple in the case, gay marriage will be legal in the entire country; and the military's rule of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" might be abolished. Additionally, inferior courts' decisions most often follow suit with the Supreme Court, hence the term "supreme".

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Well, what are your thoughts on gay marriage? For it? Against it? Why? What do you think about the case? Can it succeed or will it flop?

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I am thinking that there is a good chance of the court ruling in favor of the couple. In the Bill of Rights/First Amendment, the Constitution clearly states that the government "shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." Because really, isn't religion what the whole "anti-gay-marriage" thing is about? Seems like everyone against gay marriage is always quoting the Bible or saying something along the lines of "God created us to have straight relationships." Hmm.




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#2 11 years ago

Additionally, they might televise the initial one to be heard in California on youtube, which the prop 8 supporters didn't want to allow.

What has always got me about the issue though is that the people who are the loudest in keeping it banned tend to be the self-professed "patriots" fighting for "liberty" and "freedom" nowadays.




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#3 11 years ago

I fail to see why gay marriage should be illegal.

Live and let be, for fucks sake. If two people love each other enough that they want to be married and spend their lives together, so what? I for one can't look at a man's ass and find love, but who am I to judge them? Who are any of us?




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#4 11 years ago

What someone does with their life is no business of another persons, as long as no harm befalls anyone. Marriage, whether opposite or same sex, is no ones business other than the two people involved. If two people love each other enough to want to create a lawful bond in marriage, let them. If you don't agree with it, TOUGH! People who are against same sex marriage need to take a long look at their own lives & pay attention to what their family is doing. Stay out of other peoples lives. Let them have what the Declaration of Independance says: Life, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness...it says nothing about what sex you have to love. Personal religious or so called "morals" have no place in other peoples lives. They are just that, PERSONAL.




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#5 11 years ago

Every couple should have right to an equally bad marriage(civil union, whatever they want to call it) that ends in divorce %50 of the time. Why? Because this is America where you are allowed to mess up your life and blame it on someone/something else, sue that person/company, and get tons of money.




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#6 11 years ago

l dun get it ? Why are religous people so ignorant of other peoples ways. Stupid religious ideals. Let them marry if they want, whats the harm, there not terrorists with suicide bombs. Its all about the church, and nothing else. The churches dont want anymore of there power lost, and they have some real pull on political parties, funding and donations, they pull the majority numb skull vote from all the brainwashed little robots they have in there ranks. How dare any religion or church dictate to people what the rules of love are, seriously thats a joke. Love thou neibour, even if hes gay ! Deal with it churchies.

The age of which a person is allowed to have sex is the only thing we should be careful about, and church leaders for years have abused them underaged kids, so on what holey ground to they make there claim to being right and dictateing to the rest of us how and who to love.........




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#7 11 years ago

I'd do away with state regulation of marriage entirely. You want to be married? Fine, you are.




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#8 11 years ago

I live in Britain, where 'the gays' can go ahead and get civil unions or whatever they're called, whenever they fancy. With that in mind, myself and fellow citizens (as well as some from other countries where similar liberties are afforded) have some experience living with it.

Allow me to say that, since the introduction of this right, my life has not been affected in the slightest. My family have not been affected by it either. Once 'the gays' were able to go and get hitched I immediately assumed that my three-year-old nephew would turn into a 'the gay', as the theory suggests, but he still enjoys breaking things like any normal, macho boy. The sky did not fall, the seas did not boil, and my head didn't explode like it was supposed to have done. My ability to earn money has not been affected by 'the gays' at all, and my personal property is still my personal property. The communists didn't invade like we expected.

Additionally, I should like to point out that the Earth remains free from alien occupation, despite the ability of 'the gays' to get themselves wed. God hasn't come down to the mortal plane to slap us around with his ethereal hand, Satan hasn't occupied the body of my second cousin to reap ungodly destruction upon us all, and Hitler remains dead and buried. Even our local church is still standing, despite several years of men and women 'doing it' with their own kind. The only hellfires, ironically enough, have been in California.

Chocolate still tastes sweet (not that kind of chocolate), lemons still taste sour, Marmite still tastes weird, cows are still upright, the mountains haven't collapsed, there are no statues of Mary bleeding from any orifice that I'm aware of, and little baby Jesus remains safely tucked up in his crib in all of those nativity scenes.

I haven't sprouted breasts, my dog hasn't moved in with a cat, frogs haven't rained down upon us all, locusts remain wherever the hell it is that locusts live, and water is still blue. Even in tampon adverts!

To put it simply, plainly, and straightforwardly, I haven't noticed any changes. In actual fact I'm rather disappointed that none of the above transpired, as it's hard to imagine so many human beings being quite so batshit insane.

So, I'm out of reasons as to why it should be made illegal really. If none of the above has happened so far, and I can't think of much worse (other than Britney Spears, but I get the feeling she'd have graced our TV sets gracelessly regardless of what 'the gays' were up to), I suppose I can agree that gay marriage, or whatever it ends up being called, should be allowed in California too. Hell, why not the whole of the world, eh? We've tested it out for y'all, and it seems pretty safe so far.




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#9 11 years ago

Gay marriage is legal in South Africa and Portugal now, among a select few others.

I think that if we want to remain the nation that promises freedom and liberty for everyone, something as petty as marriage rights aught to be a no-brainer. There is no counter-argument for what is wrong with it, only a fallacy of allowing gay marriage leading to inter-species marriage, polygamy, or incestual relationships, all of which are entirely separate matters from allowing two men or two women to be married.

Let churches opt-out of having to perform same-sex marriages if they are that much against it, but otherwise, repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, and have all states perform marriages between opposite and same sex couples that want to get married. No civil union bullshit, because civil unions have less rights and benefits than a marriage, and a civil union with full benefits is the same thing as marriage, no need to have something that is "separate but equal." While we're at it, repeal DADT, because despite it not guaranteeing a huge new influx of people into the military, I really think the people who are fighting in our armed services share the view that they may not advocate for gays in the military, if it happened, they wouldn't care, as long as they are treated to the same standards and conditions of inappropriate conduct as heterosexuals.

You would think that among all of the people who grew up in the United States educational system after the 1960's, reading textbooks and listening to lectures about the struggle for womens' rights and African-American rights would realize we are denying rights to gay people right as we speak.




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#10 11 years ago

Ooh, spicy!

They can ban people, with say, big ears from marrying because they have big ears. They can ban people with messed up teeth from marrying because of their physical traits. At least, that would make sense.

But banning people because of their orientation, a way their brain operates? Being gay is not some weird religion, or you get it from some satanic birthmark when you're born. As I said, it's the way your brain operates.

Therefore, if you've got my meaning, gay marriage ban is BS.

Also, if God is such a loving and powerful god then why does he hate gays? Isn't god supposed to love everyone? What kind of god is he then?

I also wouldn't mind a few less people in this world, if you know what I mean.