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emonkies

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#1 11 years ago

So now the D.H.S.S., the Department Of Homeland Security, is going to require anyone entering the US to have a passport. Including US and Canadian citizens.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061122/ap_on_go_ot/passports_air_travel_16

Department will require virtually all air travelers entering the United States after Jan. 23 to show passports — even U.S. citizens.

Until now, U.S. citizens, travelers from Canada and Bermuda, and some travelers from Mexico who have special border-crossing cards for frequent visitors were allowed to show other proofs of identification, such as drivers' licenses or birth certificates.

In their defence...

"Right now, there are 8,000 different state and local entities in the U.S. issuing birth certificates and driver's licenses," Chertoff said. Having to distinguish phony from real in so many different documents "puts an enormous burden on our Customs and Border inspectors," he said...

...Still, he said, with new technology, it is increasingly difficult to forge passports, and having just one document to scrutinize should make inspection easier for both inspectors and travelers.

How about just requiring States to adhere to a Federal standard for Drivers License's and ID cards?

Some of you call me paranoid. But I say just because you think people are out to get you doesnt mean they arent.

I suppose next will be mandatory biochip implants for all US citizens "to better protect us".




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#2 11 years ago

Why is showing your passport so bad? If you arrive with a flight from non-EU countries you also have to show your passport at the airport here. Within the EU an ID-card is usually enough. It's not so bad as you have to take your passport anyway when travelling to a non-EU country and it only takes a couple of seconds for them to control the passport.




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#3 11 years ago

The bad part is what this is going to the border cities economies. Now if a family of 5 ( like my family) wants to go to Niagra falls for a day, its already 500 dollars, before we even leave. This is going to hurt a lot of tourism and other stuff like that.




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#4 11 years ago

Not a bad idea. Now all we have to do is look into that 600 mile stretch of open border with the Third World...




emonkies

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#5 11 years ago

Passports are $97 per person. As Delta mentioned a family of five has to have five passports.

IRC these also have to be renewed every year.

Mr. Fancy you said Non EU members have to show passports, but what about EU members?

I do not see a need for Canadians to show passports to enter the US. Canada has their own borders to patrol and prohibit people from entering its own country illegally.

I also do not see a need for US citizens to have a passport to reenter country. A form of photo ID yes but not a passport.

I was also told recently by a Police Officer it is illegal in the USA to not have a form of ID on your person. I was pulled over for a traffic check and forgot my wallet. I gave the officer all my info and he called it in and came back and told me I was good but that it was important to have my ID since it was illegal to not carry ID.




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#6 11 years ago

Anlushac11;3377660Passports are $97 per person. As Delta mentioned a family of five has to have five passports.

IRC these also have to be renewed every year.

Mr. Fancy you said Non EU members have to show passports, but what about EU members?

I do not see a need for Canadians to show passports to enter the US. Canada has their own borders to patrol and prohibit people from entering its own country illegally.

I also do not see a need for US citizens to have a passport to reenter country. A form of photo ID yes but not a passport.

I was also told recently by a Police Officer it is illegal in the USA to not have a form of ID on your person. I was pulled over for a traffic check and forgot my wallet. I gave the officer all my info and he called it in and came back and told me I was good but that it was important to have my ID since it was illegal to not carry ID.

EU-members have an ID-card, this one you usually use for all sorts of identification within your country (when you're writing an exam, to get access to a library or similar). I didn't know though that passports are so expensive, over here you pay about 15 euro every time you prolong your passport for four years. You often have to pay more for visas though.

The law that you have to carry some kind of ID around with you all the time is a bit strange, I don't think we have something similar here.




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#7 11 years ago
How about just requiring States to adhere to a Federal standard for Drivers License's and ID cards?

Becuase that makes sense, which is a forgein idea to the goverment.

Passports are $97 per person. As Delta mentioned a family of five has to have five passports.

IRC these also have to be renewed every year.

I thought they were good for 10 years.

This is one of the few NHS rules I disaggree with. Canada is watching for plots just as well as the US is. Requiring passports to enter canada is stupid. Passports are not going to stop someone from running a truck with some expolsives over a part of the US-Canada border that is wilderness.

All I can hope for is an quick end to the war on terror, which will put a quick end to these laws.




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#8 11 years ago

you carry ID for when you get pulled over like you did, speeds things up, and if something happens to you they dont have to figure out who you are its even faster now that our IDs have bar codes on them, they just scan your ID




GOD111

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#9 11 years ago

I read an article about tourism in the States. And some tourist agency from the States had made an survey among European citizens why they would consider not to come to USA. The most popular answer were that its just such a huge hassel with visas and passports. I start to see why.




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#10 11 years ago

MrFancypants;3377416Why is showing your passport so bad? If you arrive with a flight from non-EU countries you also have to show your passport at the airport here. Within the EU an ID-card is usually enough. It's not so bad as you have to take your passport anyway when travelling to a non-EU country and it only takes a couple of seconds for them to control the passport.[/quote]Agreed. Within a Union an ID card (or drivers lisence) should be enough. People who come from outside any union should show their passports.

If I fly to the USA or Canada I need to show my passport and I need to show it again on my trip back to the Netherlands. If an American flies from the USA to the Netherlands he needs to show is passport and on the way back.

Quite simple and fair.

Ofcourse the whole bullshit on countries requiring a ton of additional information from race, sex and religion to eating habbits is a whole other thing. That is just sad. And I find it a shame that we have to give all that information when entering the USA. The EU classified these demands and the agreement made with the USA as unvalid not long ago so that is a good step forward.

[quote=MrFancypants;3377829]EU-members have an ID-card, this one you usually use for all sorts of identification within your country (when you're writing an exam, to get access to a library or similar). I didn't know though that passports are so expensive, over here you pay about 15 euro every time you prolong your passport for four years. You often have to pay more for visas though.

Same here thoug te price of a passport differs from town to town. It costs a little more here (don't know the price).

The law that you have to carry some kind of ID around with you all the time is a bit strange, I don't think we have something similar here.

You have to carry some kind of ID around with you all the time in the Netherlands too since the Christian Democrats and Liberal Party came to power 3 years ago. We just had new elections but with the number of seat it yet remains to be seen if a majority of seats is against this silly ID law.




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