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Flash525

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#1 6 years ago

Was down the gym earlier watching one of the chat shows on one of the overhead Television screens they've got down there ... I usually listen to the music channel, but they continually play the same music back to back, and I wanted a change.

Anyway, one of the topics they were discussing was criminal Rehabilitation, in this particular case, it was Paedophiles. This stemmed from a school teacher caught to be messing with children in his school, some 30 incidents reported to the school head teacher and nothing was done until recently (and that's only because one of the pupils told her parents).

Suffice to say, I'm interested to know peoples' thoughts on general rehabilitation, more specifically, those of which have committed the more serious of crime (such as murder, rape, and paedophilia). Can such people really go through rehabilitation and come out of it new and ready to lead a normal life?

In my opinion, I would say no. If you've got the tenancy to kill someone in cold blood, then no amount of therapy is going to help you there. Same goes for paedophiles; if you've got the initial intent to play and touch children where you damn well know it's wrong to do so, then no amount of therapy or medicine is going to truthfully cure you of said condition. It's easy for people to give them pills to control chemical balances in the brain or whatever, but it only takes someone a single day to think "I'll pass on the tablets today" to bring back their urges.

Just wondering what other people think on the subject.




MrFancypants Forum Admin

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#2 6 years ago

I have no idea what the big picture is (there probably are some studies on this topic), I only hear every once in a while how someone previously convicted for paedophilia was then found guilty of more of the same. Maybe some high-tech equipment could help. Program a visual sensor to recognize children, whenever a child is within x meters of the wearer activate GPS and record everything. Force convicts to wear this equipment of spend the rest of their time in prison.




SeinfeldisKindaOk

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#3 6 years ago

People guilty of violent crimes, pedophilia and such I think are less likely to be successfully rehabilitated. Things like drug offenses I think are more likely to be rehabilitated successfully.




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#4 6 years ago

Indeed. Things like Psychopathy can't really be just done away with like an addiction.

I remember reading somewhere that in a psychological study of Theodore Cowell (Ted Bundy) that he was actually missing or had an underdeveloped, important part of the brain; the section responsible for morality. In other words, sometimes it's mental, but other times it's physical.


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#5 6 years ago

It depends what you mean by rehab. I think the majority of people, with counselling, a non-vindictive model of crime and punishment, followed by aid in the community, can go on to become fairly decent people.

If you mean let's throw the guy in jail and see whether he's still nuts at the end of four years in a concrete cell. Well.... I'm inclined to think reform's a bit of a pipe dream in that sense.

I've voted yes, because I think it's for the majority rather than something I'd decide on a case by case basis. Though I do think not all people are vulnerable to being reformed - you don't get to know which are which until after you've released them.




SeinfeldisKindaOk

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#6 6 years ago

There's a behavioral biology lecture from a Stanford professor on youtube where he argues that biological considerations like what you mentioned should play a larger role in court cases.




Flash525

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#7 6 years ago

MrFancypants;5605296I have no idea what the big picture is (there probably are some studies on this topic), I only hear every once in a while how someone previously convicted for paedophilia was then found guilty of more of the same.[/quote]Happens far too often. Same goes for early-released rapists and murderers. The justice system just doesn't seem to be getting the message, least as far as I'm concerned.

SeinfeldisKindaOk;5605344Things like drug offenses I think are more likely to be rehabilitated successfully.[/QUOTE]I would agree with this simply because a drug (or alcohol) based problem isn't psychological, least not in the sense paedophilia and rape are.

[QUOTE=Nemmerle;5605373]It depends what you mean by rehab. I think the majority of people, with counselling, a non-vindictive model of crime and punishment, followed by aid in the community, can go on to become fairly decent people.

The problem here is asking (or expecting) people (of non-criminal background) to aid someone who has been put away for murder, rape ect. They'd rather see them kept behind bars than to be re-released into the community.

[QUOTE=Nemmerle;5605373]Though I do think not all people are vulnerable to being reformed - you don't get to know which are which until after you've released them.

Here lies the problem. You only found out the failures once it's too late.




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#8 6 years ago

Rehabilitation? Maybe. But I have no illusions of "curing" pedophiles. Just as you can't cure/change hetrosexuality, homosexuality, people who are sexually attracted to elderly people etc. But in some cases it may be possible to make these people supress their urges. Not every pedo is going to have it's way with children, some may restricted themselves to "just" media material (which is still sick but a step less worse then commiting child rape I'd argue). And maybe some maybe able to truely supress it, without harming any children either directly or indirectly... I'd feel a bit uncomfortable though with a convicted pedo being released... It would seem like a bit of a gamble.