How many people here understand the Christian concept of Justification?
Why dont you just cut to the chase and explain what it is?
Ill explain, but first i'm curious to see what people truly know about Christianity. If you don't understand justification, you don't understand Christianity.
Ok, here's a good link to a description of this very important topic: Understanding the Gospel: Justification
All of Christianity is based on this, it has been called by theologians the concept "on which the church stands or falls" or something like that. It is what makes Christianity different.
I second Raptor.
I don't claim to understand Christianity because i'm not a Christian. I would however like to know what you mean by justification, so please just explain.
As i understand it, Justification comes through our presence and standing before Gods own judgment. A man apparently isnt judged simply by good works as God alone has the ability to deem a man worthy or not. This in essence allows for the fluidity in the use of actions in 'his name' that might not correspond to earlier religious dogma. Ideally, all positive actions that one does will increase that standing but as those actions by themselves mean nothing (as opposed to karmic belief), it allows for the flexibility in rules on personal behaviour that have become so prevalent in the monotheistic faiths.
Course i was raised a Baptist. We didnt so much codify the faith as much as typified it. Hence the difference in attitude between a Catholic service and a Baptist one.
I didn't make it!
- "other" Anyone who can worship a trinity and insist that their religion is a monotheism can believe in anything, just give them enough time to "justify" it.
Ok lets get back on topic. This thread is just for the topic of our Justification before God. Here's the link to a description again: Understanding the Gospel: Justification
I'm way cooler than n0e (who isn't though?)
11th February 2003
I tried reading to understand but its kinda confusing :( Im gonna take another chance at it.
Anyone who can worship a trinity and insist that their religion is a monotheism can believe in anything, just give them enough time to "justify" it.
Well I dont think all sects of christianity beleive in the trinity(I dont know which ones specifically follow it either, catholics maybe? or Evangelicans)
I dont recognise the name "Justification", but that doesn't mean I don't understand the concept.
Don't know, don't care. Tried reading that article, still don't know, still don't care, and I might be dumber for having tried.
He cannot just overlook our sin. He must judge it. Therefore, this element of justification is only possible because of the atoning death of Christ.
I really, really, really wish religions would stop trying to word their tripe like it's a coherent and logical argument.