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#11 8 years ago

Jeffro;4995553Religions were created for one purpose and one purpose alone. Not enlightenment. Not spirituality. Not morality. Control.

Have the clergymen rope in the citizens with promises of salvation and forgiveness. And then strike fear into their heart that if they don't abide by such scripture, they will be sent straight to hell for eternity. It is cruel and unusual abuse for the body and the mind. Fear your congregation into believing.

Rich has already touched on this, but religion itself developed as way to bring together communities and to explain the unexplainable. No, religion is not meant to be a form of control. Some certainly abuse it that way, I don't doubt that, but that somehow means religion itself is bad? Some people use guns to kill, guns are not bad, some people use duct tape to bind people for abduction, I suppose duct tape is evil as well.

The majority of the religious are just like the majority of atheists or agnostics. They just live life day to day, as best they can. The worst, and occasionally the very best (Tereasa, Pope John Paul II) get the publicity because no one gives a shit about Ahmeed Whoever who just works on a farm and feeds his family, not paying attention to the rest of the world, or the doctor who just treated their wounds, or the teacher who teaches their children. For the majority religion is just there, it's not some big thing that they go to war for or argue over.

Seriously, the anti-religious sentiments get absolutely annoying around here. I'm not even religious and the perpetual stream of bullshit starts to wear down my brain. Don't assume that your experiences, or the national news, line up with reality. Billions of people worship one god or another, and maybe a couple hundred million in the very worst of times become extremists. Sounds like a big number, of course, but it's a drop in the pond.

I guarentee, absofuckinglutely guarentee, a million dollar warranty on this guarentee, that the world would in no way be different if religion did not exist. Religion is just one of many conduits for human thoughts, emotions, and actions. Something else would take it's place. Something else would be worshipped, something else would be used to control, something else to coax, something else to put on your banner when going to war.




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#12 8 years ago

The purpose of having religion in our lives should be to end suffering, create peace, and to combat negative qualities such as anger, hatred and violence. Without accomplishing this, religion is not very useful or relevant.
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#13 8 years ago

You know what I seriously don't understand? How you people are all so bitter about issues like this.

No offense to anyone here, but I think it's a safe bet that I've seen and done more in my life than most of you ever will. I'd say 75% of that has had a very negative effect on me, that comes with the job... Yet I never would imagine blaming every person of faith in the world for one asshole's stupid remark.




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#14 8 years ago

Religion is a power structure. Whether it starts off evil, whether it is universally that way, does little to mediate the idea that it attracts the insane and allows them to perpetuate their control of certain elements of society. As with all power structures it will have people who benefit society within it - and it will provide something for the follower, even if just by means of ideological satisfaction.

The problem is entirely that they are followers though; when you surrender the responsibility to make your own value judgements to that of some given you by a church or priest you become his creature, less a man and more an extension of another's will. You see the same effect in other areas of faith such as martial arts clubs that profess a belief in spiritual energy, or certain areas of psychoanalysis; it's a pretty standard cultural occurence and it's always exercised for control.

There used to be a belief, in rough terms, that 'give me freedom or give me death.' Was a desirable sentiment. Well that's religion's crime, not the people it's killed or failed to save but the enabling of such mental abuse for the profit of ivory tower madmen. It's not the fault of all religous people, any more than a brainwashed child who goes and stabs people is at fault for being brainwashed; that's kind of the point though.

Not that the world would be too different without it; knock one form of power structure down and another rises to fill the vacuum.




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#15 8 years ago

I don't like religion, but I won't bullshit fans of it by just concentrating on there losses. Christianity at least gives hope and a sense of purpose, doesn't matter if its real or not, it at least is good for psychological and mental health. That is, if your that weak emotionally.




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#16 8 years ago

Jeffro, you are seriously bitter "Oh no, a pastor prays for Obama's death, religion is a cancer." Give me a break, who are you to judge an entire society based on the faults of a few people? And it may not have crossed your mind, but nobody is perfect, but nobody is forcing you to believe something, here in the USA (which you seem to hate so much) you have the right to believe whatever you want.


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#17 8 years ago

Well before anything i would like to admit that im trying to get back in my religous swing. im not saying that i will become an idiot (like said man in the first video) but just getting into the text a little. that sort of thing. now with that said and done. this man has obviously never looked at this piece of text. You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. (Matthew 5:43)




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#18 8 years ago

Doesn't say what you should pray for =p




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#19 8 years ago
Nemmerle;4996385Doesn't say what you should pray for =p

I can never get a good thought out without you finding a loophole and shooting it down. :cort: but still you can't pray for god to kill someone. if you want to pray for someone to die, then i guess that person should check out satanism.




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