Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somalian immigrant campaigning against radical Islam in Holland. http://www.slate.com/toolbar.aspx?action=print&id=2141276 After the disgraceful fiasco when she was booted out of her apartment, she considered leaving altogether. Hope she comes to the US. We could use more people like her. But it must be a real shocker - leaving your native country to escape a group of radical fanatics trying to force you to marry your cousin - only to find people just like them all around when you step off the plane. At least she's luckier than her associate van Gogh, who got shot dead and mutilated.:uhm:
Islam needs more moderates, period. I imagine it's hard to go up against the local preacher if all your neighbours attend his mass regularily, if you catch my drift.
Every popular person that had strong anti radical islamic feelings so far has been shot in Holland, im surprised she is still alive.
That's where multiculturalism gets you. By refusing to challenge these people while they were weak, Holland signed its own death warrant.
They have never really been weak, we are talking about peope from Turkey and Marocco(sp?) not warn torn countries. I never hear anything about people from east europe misbehaving.. but its always turkish and maroccan youth.
But yeah.. the goverment should have kicked these radical asses out for preaching hate against our allies and basicly the west in general, but the far far left wont hear from it, and they have been in charge for a long time now.. its changing, but.. not fast enough.
I pretend I'm cooler than AzH
3rd September 2005
The 13th RaptorEvery popular person that had strong anti radical islamic feelings so far has been shot in Holland, im surprised she is still alive.
sounds like you guys got a 'crazy muslim' problem:uhm:
czech speacial forcessounds like you guys got a 'crazy muslim' problem:uhm:
them and the rest of the world. (which isn't to say other extreamists arn't just as bad)
I pretend I'm cooler than AzH
3rd September 2005
Hypnotoad13them and the rest of the world. (which isn't to say other extreamists arn't just as bad)
ya i guess. but not like people getting killed for going agenst extremist muslims, in a christian/athiest country. then again if something like that happened here we would have a bunch of rednecks with rifles going after them. i just think muslims need to adapt more to the modern world.
Machiavelli's ApprenticeThat's where multiculturalism gets you. By refusing to challenge these people while they were weak, Holland signed its own death warrant.
Depends on your definition of multiculturalism. I for one would support an Islamic presence in Holland, but kick out those preaching hate. And kick out whites preaching hate, and blacks, and so on. True multiculturalism.
-Aqualung-Depends on your definition of multiculturalism. I for one would support an Islamic presence in Holland, but kick out those preaching hate. And kick out whites preaching hate, and blacks, and so on. True multiculturalism.
Well since you seem to live in California, I have this need to ask you a question: WTF do you know about Islamic presence in EU? Let me tell you something. Since the muslims came to Europe, it has only gone downhill. There is a huuuuuge diffrence between USA and EU in this matter. I saw a documentry some while ago, comparing muslims in EU and their relatives in the States. In the States, they seem to be fairly well liked, since they work and educate them selfs, and trying to be part of the American society and its culture. Here however, it is the total opposit. The don't work, they are not intrested in working. All they do is commiting crimes, sitting at the local café and having conversations in a sound level of 4000 decibel. Screw multiculturism! Europe was a much better place before the muslims came here. Between 1945 and 1990; Europe was a very peaceful continent, where people of the same historical background lived together in peace. Espeically the Scandinavian countries, who lived in some sort of a bubble, where the most serious crime commited on a friday nights where some drunk-fights.
The Scandinavian and the European society has changed dramatically the last 15 years. And that is to the worse, I'm sad to say. I can still remember when I saw my first black person. I was with my grandmother on the bus, and we switched seat beacause he was sitting infront of us. I still do this. If some immigrant sits next to me on the bus or subway, I still switch seat. I don't want anything to do with them. I don't want to look at them. I really really dislike them. Racist? Perhaps, I couldn't care less, that is how I feel. I can remember when the fist immigrant came to mt class. It was in the third grade, he came from Poland. He had black hair, the kids saw right away that he didn't fit it. Of course we started to pick on him. It didn't matter if he came from a country, who's on the map is south east of Sweden. He had black hair, and he didn't fit in in the Scandinavian blond society. Of course we didn't really think in those terms. We only saw a black haird dude, who had a weird accent. Anyway, to sum it up: Immigrants, and muslims in perticular, will never be accepted in Europe, and Scandinavia in perticular. They have a totally different historical and cultural background, who just doesn't fit in here.
End of rant!