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#11 9 years ago

Free speech zones? Hah what a joke. It has written " oppresion" and " limitation of free speech" written all over it. Is anyone actually buying into that garbage?

Free speech, is as it already says " free" , it isn't bound to a location, time, permission or such things.




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#12 9 years ago
Locomotor;5016160I think homeland security will have a bitch of a time getting the bigger private and more liberal schools in the US to get on board with such programs. Especially smaller liberal arts schools. Obviously public schools and institutions will be different.

Yes, and they have already enforced this. Most campuses will obviously have the power to disclose what materials you have been checking out from the library and how the internet has been used on campus.

This is precisely the same thing - albeit with different names for the "targets" - that happened in the sixties, during the civil rights movements and in the run up to the Vietnam war. FBI plants, agent provocateurs, they had it all. The Howard Zinn documentary You Can't Be Neutral On A Moving Train (available on YouTube and I think released for free around the internet) provides a good look at the campus environment during Vietnam War protests in the sixties. The governments invasion of the universities created an unprecedented backlash against the security regime then, from students and faculty alike.

Remember the Kent State massacre? If anyone hasn't heard of it look it up. I highly doubt things will get so bad again. At the very least, not worse than the anti-radicalization policies the Bush Administration forced on universities. Well I hope not.

Yes, I alluded to Kent State in my post and it still surprises me how many people are not aware of it- though most people are familiar with the famous picture. Students for a Democratic Society was targeted a lot during this time, and even got the interest of COINTELPRO due to their perceived left-wing leanings.

You produce one of these threads daily.

Making threads is better for the forum, other wise this pub would just have the religious discussion thread active. Hell, most forums would become inactive with out someone making threads on a frequent basis.

Awesome. They are not at all "justice", btw, just pussy ass bitches who would let home invasion robbers sodimize them with power tools.

Not really. Some of them are concerned with volunteering in communities and supporting human rights organizations and charities. Some of them have stances on gun ownership and crime but it isn't their pure focus.

Calling bullshit on that one.

I haven't seen anythiing on the University of Colorado, but I know the University of North Carolina has had issues because of some students' opposition to local lawmakers, and when Tom Tancredo decided to stop by.

As for the bit with the Iraqi-professor, it did happen, but the thing seemed to be on an anonymous tip with very little prior investigation before they jumped the gun.

FBI Taps Campus Police in Anti-Terror Operations | UT Watch on the Web

"A similar arrangement has prompted controversy at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, where an FBI agent and a campus police detective showed up at the office of an Iraqi-born economics professor in November for an interview. The campus detective, Barry Flanders, was assigned to the local FBI task force and was working on federal terrorism investigations at least two days a week.

FBI officials and campus police said they were able to quickly discount the anonymous tip that led to the interview, and professor M.J. Alhabeeb told local media outlets that the meeting was brief and polite."

:rofl: again, calling bullshit, but with a humoristic tone.

Free-speech zones are real. And they can expel you from the campus if what you are doing is considered "destructive" for university operations.

I would hardly call that "armed garrisons", when they have no more weaponry than the local police department. And thats what they are....

Of course there's no problem with security, but what I question is why now? There's been school violence as far back in the 1950s, but it is only recently they have been going nuts on it, and they've been able to further it with V-tech as a reasonable cause.

And...?

There's a problem when one's university begins to look like a national guard armory, especially when the motions are passed with out consultation with the student body and staff in many cases.

:lol: Oh really? Show me proof of that. I want the UN resolution number that specifically decries the taser a form of torture. Because getting a few volts in your body is soooo much like having bamboo reeds shot up under your fingernails. :rolleyes:

The quote here has been pulled from a committee that was meeting on what constituted torture, but no formal resolution has been passed. It was mentioned in passing when discussing about Portugal's law system.

"The Committee was worried that the use of TaserX26 weapons, provoking extreme pain, constituted a form of torture, and that in certain cases it could also cause death, as shown by several reliable studies and by certain cases that had happened after practical use"




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#13 9 years ago

Commissar MercZ;5016670 Making threads is better for the forum, other wise this pub would just have the religious discussion thread active. Hell, most forums would become inactive with out someone making threads on a frequent basis. [/QUOTE] Ok but when every day its about how evil so and so is, it gets old. And quick.

[QUOTE=Commissar MercZ;5016670] The quote here has been pulled from a committee that was meeting on what constituted torture, but no formal resolution has been passed. It was mentioned in passing when discussing about Portugal's law system.

"The Committee was worried that the use of TaserX26 weapons, provoking extreme pain, constituted a form of torture, and that in certain cases it could also cause death, as shown by several reliable studies and by certain cases that had happened after practical use"

So the claim is bullshit. The taser was not declared a weapon of torture by the UN. So what else is bullshit in that article? Besides most of it.




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#14 9 years ago
There's a problem when one's university begins to look like a national guard armory, especially when the motions are passed with out consultation with the student body and staff in many cases.

Having Ar-15s hardly constitutes it being an arsenal.




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#15 9 years ago

NiteStryker;5016819Ok but when every day its about how evil so and so is, it gets old. And quick.[/QUOTE]

And when you come into his threads with those kind of posts, what does that make your posts?

So the claim is bullshit. The taser was not declared a weapon of torture by the UN. So what else is bullshit in that article? Besides most of it.

And suddenly we can't discuss it? There's plenty of material here to discuss. What's considered security and what isn't?

Personally most of these I have no problems with, but what I do is the timing and where a lot of these increased arms are taking place. Violence is always a problem you have to deal with everywhere, but if that was the case why not have done more of this in the 1970s?

[QUOTE=SeinfeldRules;5016832]Having Ar-15s hardly constitutes it being an arsenal.

Compared to what one would usually expect to see on a police, it's packing heat. I see its use to overcome the distance problems that standard police arms can't deal with, and I don't have a issue with that so much as I do with how it was brought in when most students were away for the summer. As long as they aren't openly showing it, I don't have a problem, but I'm pointing out why others might.




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#16 9 years ago
Compared to what one would usually expect to see on a police, it's packing heat. I see its use to overcome the distance problems that standard police arms can't deal with, and I don't have a issue with that so much as I do with how it was brought in when most students were away for the summer. As long as they aren't openly showing it, I don't have a problem, but I'm pointing out why others might.

Assault rifles are common police weapons. You'll find them in most patrol cars in my city. It's not so much distance as it is body armor, a pistol round will have a hard time penetrating most forms of personal body armor, an assault rifle round will not. With things like the North Hollywood shootout (shooters had body armor) and the fact that personal body armor that civilians can buy is more and more common (you can find them at gun shows), the police absolutely need to pack more heat then just handguns and shotguns. Not so true 50 years ago when body armor consisted of expensive flak jackets with heavy steel plates in them. The assault rifle is a vital part of any modern police force.




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#17 9 years ago
Commissar MercZ;5016839 And suddenly we can't discuss it? There's plenty of material here to discuss. What's considered security and what isn't?

Police officers arnt unloading on students for annual qualification, so I think we are ok.

And why would you waste time discussing an obviously baised, bullshit-ridden article?




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#18 9 years ago
SeinfeldRules;5016849Assault rifles are common police weapons. You'll find them in most patrol cars in my city. It's not so much distance as it is body armor, a pistol round will have a hard time penetrating most forms of personal body armor, an assault rifle round will not. With things like the North Hollywood shootout (shooters had body armor) and the fact that personal body armor that civilians can buy is more and more common (you can find them at gun shows), the police absolutely need to pack more heat then just handguns and shotguns. Not so true 50 years ago when body armor consisted of expensive flak jackets with heavy steel plates in them. The assault rifle is a vital part of any modern police force.

I am not talking about city police, this is about the police forces campuses maintain. Aside from campuses which are large enough to be their own town, most campus police tend to carry handguns and an assortment of other weapons. Typically when they have a situation, they defer to city police (in some cases campus police are a branch of the local police).

My university, as far as I know, did not have assault rifles until after Vtech, and it was then the campus police requested the assault rifles to better deal with such a situation in the event city police doesn't arrive quick enough -as was the case in Virginia Tech.

Though I don't see the above as a sign of "oppression" on the campus. Honestly, or at least how I see it from the quality of police on my campus (most of them are washouts from local police), it seems to be an excuse for them to argue for a pay raise.




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