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Might not be exciting for some, maybe someone would like to put some words in, I don't know.

Anyways, today is "Super Tuesday" in the primary cycle for both the Republican and Democratic parties. Since the Democrats have an incumbent president the results of those primaries don't really matter, the Republican one on the other hand will be of importance due to the amount of states being contested (10) and the delegates at stake (392 delegates, 17% of the total). The states running are:


Alaska 24 delegates (Caucus) Georgia 76 delegates (Primary) Idaho 32 delegates (Caucus) Ohio 63 delegates (Primary) Oklahoma 40 delegates (Primary) Massachusetts 38 delegates (Primary) North Dakota 25 delegates (Caucus) Tennessee 55 delegates (Primary) Vermont 17 delegates (Primary) Virginia 46 delegates (Primary)

Ohio in particular has turned into a focal point of this contest, mostly between Romney and Santorum as they attempt to sway the favor of voters there, including blue-collar workers. Gingrich seems to be focusing much of his efforts in attempting to unseat Santorum from his former position as the anti-Romney, but is expected to have a strong showing only in Georgia, his home state. Notably, Gingrich nor Santorum were not able to be placed into the polls in Virginia due to unable to meet the requirements to be placed on the ballot. So only Ron Paul and Romney will appear on the ballot there.

Good overview here, along with projections:

A Guide to Super Tuesday Possibilities -

With only 10 states voting on Super Tuesday, it would be easy to dismiss it as a little wimpy compared to past years.

But nearly 20 percent of the delegates to the Republican convention will be chosen on Tuesday night — and the outcome could reasonably range from one in which Mitt Romney seems to have the nomination all but wrapped up to situation that casts his nomination in doubt.

Mr. Romney is likely to remain the favorite to win the nomination almost no matter what happens. He is also very likely to finish with the largest number of delegates from the evening. He comes into the night with perhaps the most favorable momentum he has had at any point in the nomination process; some of his disastrous outcomes were pushed aside by his wins in the past week in Michigan, Arizona and Washington.

Still, the line between a resplendent night for Mr. Romney and a suspect one is relatively slim, both in terms of the delegate count and the narrative it will generate. Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich have a lot on the line as well, possibly including their continued survival in the race.

We will consider reasonable upside and downside cases for each of the four candidates, as framed in terms of the delegate math. The definition of a “reasonable upside case” is not exact, but I intend it to mean something along the lines of a candidate’s 90th percentile situation — that is, he has perhaps a 10 percent chance of having a night that good or better. The reasonable downside case might refer to his 10th percentile situation instead.

Our reference point will be the delegate projections that I issued on Monday; here they are again:


This possibility assumes that Mr. Romney will win Massachusetts and Virginia very easily, and Vermont and Idaho fairly easily (winning all 32 delegates in Idaho because of the way the state’s rules are structured). It assumes a narrow Romney win in Ohio and a narrow loss in Tennessee, and that Mr. Romney wins either the Alaska or North Dakota caucuses, but probably not both. Mr. Gingrich wins Georgia only, although by a big margin; Mr. Santorum wins Tennessee and Oklahoma, although by smaller margins than were expected a few days ago.

If the evening goes exactly according to this plan — of course, it probably won’t — that would leave us in something of a predicament. Mr. Romney, by any objective measuring stick, would have had a good night, winning more than half the delegates and at least half the states — including Ohio, a state that inherently isn’t all that favorable to him.

But, as Mr. Romney’s position has improved in the polls, expectations have risen as well. The news media have been focused on three contests — Georgia, Ohio, Tennessee. Of these, Mr. Romney would win just one, and then by a margin that might not be called until fairly late in the night.

Of course, that these relatively challenging states for Mr. Romney are the focus of attention is a sign of his strength — the comparable case would be if, this November, the focus was on whether Barack Obama could win Georgia, Arizona and Montana. There are universes in which those could be the closest states — they are those in which Mr. Obama has won a clear victory everywhere else.

Still, it’s only four days until the next contest: the Kansas caucuses are held on Saturday, then Alabama and Mississippi vote on March 13. The history is that the news media look for excuses to string the race along. Can Mr. Romney win in the South? What would happen if Mr. Santorum or Mr. Gingrich dropped out? Questions like these will probably be asked until the math for the other candidates becomes literally impossible or they simply drop out — whether or not they are relevant to the issue of who will win the Republican nomination.

Mitt Romney FiveThirtyEight projection (most likely case): 224 delegates Upside case: 267 delegates Downside case: 146 delegates fivethirtyeight-2romneyup-blog480.jpg

However, Mr. Romney could plausibly have such a good night that even these questions will seem moot. That would look something like this:

In this situation, Mr. Romney wins eight of the 10 states, losing only Oklahoma to Mr. Santorum and Georgia to Mr. Gingrich, and achieves a fairly clear victory in Ohio. He would have demonstrated his strength throughout all the major regions of the country. His delegate count would actually not be all that much higher than under his baseline case — 267 delegates won rather than 224 — in part because the baseline case is already pretty favorable to him and he is almost maxed out on delegates in several states.

But the implication would be that the other candidates are uncertain of victory even in what should be some of their stronger states; it would be very challenging to conceive of a path to a majority coalition for them. Remember, most nominations are wrapped up well before the last primaries and caucuses are held, and Super Tuesday has sometimes been the decisive point — most clearly in the Republican race of 2008 and perhaps also in the Democratic race of 1988.

On the other hand, Mr. Romney could still easily lose six states and win as few as about 146 delegates.


Under this situation, Mr. Romney loses Ohio to Mr. Santorum by perhaps five percentage points, finishes third in Tennessee and Oklahoma, loses North Dakota to Mr. Santorum and Alaska to Ron Paul, and just misses various thresholds that represent critical break points in the delegate rules in states like Idaho and Georgia. None of these outcomes are all that far-fetched — we are not imaging Mr. Romney losing Vermont, for instance — but they would be more characteristic of a worst case than a downside case.

It might seem unlikely that all of these things will occur simultaneously. But it is not impossible — Mr. Romney underperformed polls and expectations in Colorado, Minnesota and Missouri on Feb. 7, for instance. If the polls are missing something about the way the electorate is likely to behave, chances are that some of those errors will be duplicated from state to state.

This possibility, which would entail wins for each of Mr. Romney’s three opponents, might rekindle talk of a brokered convention. Mr. Romney would certainly have some positive things to take from the evening — four victories, and the largest delegate count. But his nomination would seem less assured.

Rick Santorum FiveThirtyEight projection (most likely case): 76 delegates Upside case: 135 delegates Downside case: 52 delegates fivethirtyeight-4santorumup-blog480.jpg

The upside case for Mr. Santorum is fairly similar to Mr. Romney’s downside case and would entail Mr. Santorum winning about 135 delegates. But it also involves Mr. Gingrich having a worse-than-expected night: winning only Georgia, but yielding a fair among of delegates to his opponents there, while finishing third or worse everywhere else. Meanwhile, Mr. Santorum would notch four victories: in Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee and North Dakota.

Particularly relative to expectations, this would qualify as a very good night for Mr. Santorum, especially if it resulted in Mr. Gingrich’s exit from the race. It would not qualify as a great night — Mr. Santorum’s upside case is now fairly similar to what his baseline case might have looked like a week ago.

Still, there have been times when the voting results went in the opposite direction of where the momentum had seemed to suggest — like Hillary Rodham Clinton’s win in New Hampshire in 2008. While these nights occur rarely, they can produce pronounced momentum shifts.

Or, Mr. Santorum could win as few as about 50 delegates:


This situation gives him credit for winning Oklahoma (but only Oklahoma). But that does not matter so much since the delegate allocation there is quite proportional if the popular vote is close. He would have little to hang his hat on, and might be compelled to drop out of the race, with Colorado and Minnesota having represented his high-water mark. If this were the case, it would seem that Mr. Santorum had been an late-blooming prospect who posted promising numbers at Triple-A but failed in his call-up to the big leagues.

Newt Gingrich FiveThirtyEight projection (most likely case): 87 delegates Upside case: 117 delegates Downside case: 56 delegates fivethirtyeight-6gingrichup-blog480.jpg

Mr. Gingrich’s upside case is lower than Mr. Santorum’s in the delegate count because he has shown little ability to compete outside the South. It is possible that he could hit the 20 percent threshold required to win proportional delegates in Ohio and perhaps take a rural Congressional district there. But he is unlikely to be competitive in the caucuses, or to receive any delegates at all in Massachusetts and Vermont, and he is not on the ballot in Virginia.

There is already something of a narrative brewing, however, about a Gingrich comeback, and it’s possible that he could do enough to help fuel it:

Under this situation, Mr. Gingrich gets 50 percent or more of the vote in Georgia — enough to win the overwhelming majority of delegates there under the state’s rules. He also wins Tennessee and finishes a very close second in Oklahoma.

What would Mr. Gingrich do for his next trick? Actually, the calendar is reasonably favorable for him. The easy hurdles to clear would be Alabama and Mississippi on Mar. 13 and Louisiana on Mar. 24. The more challenging ones would be Missouri on Mar. 17 — a borderline Southern state, but a caucus — and Illinois on Mar. 20, where Mr. Gingrich would hope to supplant Mr. Santorum as the Midwestern alternative to Mr. Romney.

Mr. Gingrich would start out significantly behind Mr. Romney in the delegate count even in this upside possibility — by roughly 210 delegates, in fact. He would need to clear almost every hurdle to sustain his momentum and close that gap. The odds against this are quite strong, especially since Mr. Gingrich has demonstrated little staying power after his periodic surges. But he would probably have earned the right to run the course until he stumbled.

Or suppose that Mr. Gingrich won only Georgia — and by a lesser margin than polls project — while accumulating only about 55 delegates on the evening:


A normal candidate would drop out under these circumstances — having won only his home state and South Carolina out of about 20 attempts, and having finished third or worse in most others. Mr. Gingrich, who has burned his share of bridges with the Republican establishment, might not. Instead, he could play more the gadfly role that Jerry Brown did in the 1992 Democratic race.

Still, although Mr. Gingrich is clever at drawing the news media’s attention, he might be denied oxygen if he had no rationale at all for his campaign, and this possibility would leave him with little.

Ron Paul FiveThirtyEight projection (most likely case): 25 delegates Upside case: 59 delegates Downside case: 12 delegates fivethirtyeight-8paulup-blog480.jpg

Mr. Paul has the least on the line in terms of the delegate math. One important constraint is that even states that divide their delegates in a relatively proportional way usually establish some qualifying threshold — typically 15 or 20 percent of the vote. With Mr. Paul instead tending to finish at about 10 percent in primariy states, his opportunity to accumulate delegates has been limited.

Perhaps if Mr. Paul runs again in 2016 — or if his son Rand Paul does — his libertarian philosophy will continue to make gains, especially among younger voters, and he will be hitting those 15 or 20 percent marks more often. On Super Tuesday 2012, however, that seems plausible only in Vermont and perhaps Massachusetts — although he might steal a Congressional district delegate or two in a few places that we don’t expect.

Super Tuesday should, however, offer Mr. Paul opportunities to color in his map for the first time. His performance has been pretty decent in the last two caucus states, and both North Dakota and Alaska are reasonably favorable to him.

If he were to win those states, while also securing a few delegates in primary states, his upside case would be about 60 delegates from the evening.

Are 60 delegates useful? It might depend more on Mr. Romney than Mr. Paul; a poor performance for Mr. Romney would increase the likelihood of a contested convention.

But however useful 60 delegates are, 12 are worth less — and Mr. Paul could win that few if he gets shut out in the primary states while performing disappointingly in the caucuses:


Keep in mind that each of the three caucus states to vote on Tuesday do allocate their delegates on the basis of the presidential vote — something which Iowa and Minnesota and Maine did not do. So there will be less fuzziness than usual — a poor performance in a state like North Dakota can’t really be redeemed at obscure regional conventions.


The situations listed here don’t account for every plausible permutation: what happens, for instance, if Mr. Romney loses Ohio but wins Tennessee?

Chances are that these forecasts will miss in a few places, and the upside and downside cases are by definition unlikely to be achieved. Instead, Mr. Romney’s performance will probably not be so bad as to be unspinnable (as after Colorado or Minnesota). Nor, given rising expectations, might he deny his opponents any kind of wiggle room. It will be important to look at how influential Republicans behave after the outcome, as well as the signals that we get from national polls.

As we reach a more advanced stage of the race, however, the momentum and the narrative and the spin will matter less and less — and the delegate count more and more. And Mr. Romney, even under his downside situations, should expand his lead on that account.

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#2 7 years ago

I voted about an hour ago for Ron Paul. Here's hoping something good comes of it.

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Summary of results:

Super Tuesday Victories for Romney, but Questions, Too -

Super Tuesday Victories for Romney, but Questions, Too By MICHAEL D. SHEAR

1:04 p.m. | Updated Mitt Romney’s campaign on Wednesday prepared to portray his razor-thin victory in Ohio as another step toward an inevitable claim on the Republican presidential nomination in spite of a muscular challenge by his chief rival, Rick Santorum in Ohio.

Mr. Romney finally earned an apparent victory in Ohio in the wee hours of Wednesday morning, edging Mr. Santorum by about 1 percent of the more than one million votes cast. Mr. Romney trailed for much of Tuesday evening but grabbed the lead on the strength of his showing in the state’s big cities and their suburbs. By early morning, it was clear that he had also won Alaska’s caucus.

“After last night, I feel pretty darn good,” Mr. Romney said in an interview on CNBC’s “Squawk Box” program Wednesday morning. “I’m prepared to fight all the way to become the nominee. We’ve got a very strong lead in delegates, a very strong lead in terms of the number of people who have actually voted for our campaign.”

But Mr. Romney and his advisers also woke to a fresh round of urgent questions about his inability to connect with conservative, working-class voters and his campaign’s failure to deploy its substantial resources in a way that finally brings the nomination to a close.

As they have for weeks, Mr. Romney’s campaign advisers are trying to focus attention on the battle for delegates to the party’s national convention in Tampa, Fla. Senior aides to Mr. Romney are scheduled to brief reporters later this morning about how difficult it will be for his rivals to catch up.

Mr. Romney now leads the field with 415 delegates, according to a tally by The Associated Press. Mr. Santorum has 176 delegates, Newt Gingrich has 105 and Ron Paul has 47.

“We’ve got the time and the resources and a plan to get all the delegates, and we think that will get done before the convention,” Mr. Romney said in the CNBC interview, brushing aside concerns that his win in Ohio was hardly decisive. “One thing I can tell you for sure, is there’s not going to be a brokered convention where some new person comes in and becomes the nominee.”

For his part, Mr. Santorum showed no signs of letting up in his bid to stop Mr. Romney from becoming the party’s standard-bearer. Claiming victories in Tennessee, North Dakota and Oklahoma Tuesday night, Mr. Santorum declared that he is “in this thing” to return power to Americans.

One of Mr. Santorum’s top advisers reported late on Tuesday night that the campaign had more than $1 million in cash to spend following the surprisingly good showing in the South and in Ohio. John Brabender, the adviser, said Mr. Santorum’s campaign would immediately begin to buy television time in Alabama, Kansas and Mississippi.

Mr. Brabender also urged Mr. Gingrich to leave the race so that anti-Romney vote would not be split during the upcoming contests.

“There’s been poll after poll that shows if Rick Santorum were just to have a one-on-one shot with Mitt Romney that the Gingrich supporters go right to Rick Santorum in big numbers,” Mr. Brabender told The Wall Street Journal. “Conservatives and Tea Party folks are going to have a decision to make: do we want Mitt Romney to be the nominee or not, or do we want to just keep splitting our vote?”

Mr. Santorum is counting on an upcoming schedule of contests that is not particularly friendly to Mr. Romney. The two Southern primaries, along with a caucus in Kansas, should offer Mr. Santorum the kind of opportunities that he seized to win in Oklahoma and Tennessee on Tuesday.

“We have won in the West, the Midwest, and the South, and we’re ready to win across this country,” Mr. Santorum said during remarks Tuesday night before the Ohio results were clear.

The final overnight tallies confirmed a muddled result in the 10 states that voted on Super Tuesday — a day that has normally worked to clarify the Republican presidential contest.

Mr. Romney won six states: Alaska, Idaho, Massachusetts, Ohio, Vermont and Virginia. Mr. Santorum won three: North Dakota, Oklahoma and Tennessee. And the last state — Georgia — went to Newt Gingrich. Ron Paul failed to win a single state in the largest day of voting since the Republican contest began.

After winning in Georgia, Mr. Gingrich vowed to continue on, targeting Southern states that will vote in the next week.

“For the third time, we’re going to come bouncing back,” Mr. Gingrich said. “With your help by the end of next week, we could really be in a totally new race.”

Mr. Santorum’s wins in Oklahoma and Tennessee came early in the night, providing his campaign the opportunity to brag about his appeal with Southern voters in the Republican Party.

But Ohio was always the marquee event of the night, and it quickly became clear that neither Mr. Romney nor Mr. Santorum would sweep to an easy victory in the state.

Mr. Romney’s hopes of following up his win in Michigan with an emphatic victory in Ohio was dashed. Exit polls suggested that Mr. Romney suffered from the same hesitation among Republican voters that has been apparent for the past two months.

Wealthy voters and women embraced Mr. Romney, while lower-income Ohioans, evangelicals and very conservative voters tended to support Mr. Santorum in greater numbers. At just the moment that Mr. Romney was hoping to demonstrate a broader appeal, he squeaked by in Ohio with a narrow victory.

But even before the sun had risen in the East, Mr. Romney’s aides were already pressing their case that their candidate’s grasp on the nomination has never been more secure thanks to the delegate lead that he extended on Tuesday.

Mr. Romney picked up another endorsement on Wednesday, this time from George Pataki, the former Republican governor of New York. Speaking on Fox News Wednesday morning, Mr. Pataki said that “it’s time for Republicans to rally around our nominee” and added that “Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum and Ron Paul have won great campaigns but it’s time to turn our attention to defeating Obama.”

Ohio was close as expected, though Romney edged out there. He got six of the 10 states (Alaska, Idaho, Mass, Ohio, Vermont, Virginia). Santorum got three (Oklahoma, Tennessee, North Dakota), and Gingrich with his home state of Georgia.

One thing I found interesting was with the exit polling taken in Ohio. About 67% of those who responded (2728 total) reported incomes of over $50,000. The rest fell into the lower middle-class/ blue collar workers that both Romney and Santorum were trying to portray themselves as representing and the best candidate- yet if this can be applied to all who voted, it seems that those who were relatively better off were motivated to go to the polls. Social issues played a major role along with economic stances.

Delegate counts so far

Romney 429 Santorum 169 Gingrich 118 Ron Paul 67