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Joe Bonham

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#1 7 years ago
Fox NewsThe newly muscular House Republicans voted Wednesday to overturn President Obama's health care overhaul -- a move that is largely symbolic because the Democratic-controlled Senate is poised to ignore it while Obama is certain to veto it should it somehow pass through Congress. The House passed the bill 245-189 with three Democrats -- Reps. Mike Ross, Dan Boren and Mike McIntyre --joining the Republican effort. Even though Democrats are certain to block the bill in the Senate, Republicans are determined to chisel away at the law through attempts to deny funding for parts of the legislation as they go into effect in the coming years. "The Congress can do better in terms of replacing Obamacare with common-sense reforms that will bring down the cost of health insurance and expand access for more Americans," House Speaker John Boehner said Wednesday. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor took aim at Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who has said he won't even take up the repeal measure in his chamber.

Read more: America Rising: Obamacare Repealed in the House - Health Care Repeal - Fox Nation

[COLOR=White]The hypocrisy here is sickening. Every one of these leeches, as Federal employees, are entitled to the best healthcare plans in the country - paid for by the taxpayers.

Yet they have the nerve to turn around and say we don't deserve affordable health care. Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength. [/COLOR]




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#2 7 years ago

I'm not debating the idea that everyone deserves access to affordable health care. And I don't think they are either. The issue here is that it should not be paid for by the federal government via taxpayer dollars.

And could you please tell me what the point of that last sentence was?




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#3 7 years ago
TheMirage;5461487And could you please tell me what the point of that last sentence was?

Americans pay for their government's health care, but the government doesn't do shit about their people's health care. That IS the point of what the last sentence was. Unless you're talking about the article and not what he said.

American ideologies are unrealistic in todays society (or perhaps they always were?). So getting the government to give out a little bit of money for health care is reasonable in my opinion. Working for a country that won't do shit for you when you're in need. We pay so many taxes, why not put them to actual use? I don't think a lot of people understand the whole idea behind "Free health care", it isn't free - you just don't pay extra for it. Taxes are used to keep the rich unnecessarily wealthier, which in return is pointless because they don't do anything for you; if the taxes you paid are returned to you in form of health care then it isn't really a loss of money




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#4 7 years ago

There are multiple ways I can show our current "free market" healthcare system is inferior to socialized medicine.

The obvious and most commonly argued route is the humanitarian one. Every other civilized, first world country on the planet has a universal healthcare system. Except us. We also have among the lowest life expectancies and highest infant mortality rates in the developed world.

The second is money. Conservatives argue that universal healthcare is too expensive. That's wrong in multiple ways.

-First off, hospitals are required by law to accept anybody for emergency treatment. So regardless of whether or not someone has healthcare coverage, the money is going to be spent regardless.

-Secondly, preventive medicine is far more efficient and cheaper than emergency care. We spend billions of dollars every year treating medical conditions that could have easily been prevented if those people had healthcare coverage and were seeing a doctor regularly, instead of waiting until he was puking blood on the couch to seek medical treatment.

-Thirdly, a huge expense in a system based on profit is administrative. If a medical provider is concerned with "getting paid", every medical procedure, no matter how minor, needs to filed and processed so the provider can be reimbursed. Americans spend more on administrative expenses than any other modern healthcare system.

-Fourthly, the pharmaceutical industry is raping us with a tennis racket. Patented medicine is greatly overrated, and far more expensive than generic drugs. Not to mention, every new drug that gets force fed into the American people runs the risk of unforseen side effects. A test group of 5 thousand people might not have the same results as feeding the drug to 5 million people.

-Fifthly, Insurance companies will charge you extra, or deny you coverage altogether for common preexisting conditions (like diabetes, for example). This does a lot of bad things. To begin with, it forces us to spend even more on our healthcare. Secondly, if you received a healthcare plan through your employer, you are essentially enslaved as a serf. If you quit and find work elsewhere, you run the risk of being denied coverage by your new provider.




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#5 7 years ago

The funny thing is the healthcare reform isn't even socialized medicine. Yet still that belief persists.

All this is really, atm, is grandstanding to appeal to the sentiment. They know it can't go anywhere as long as Obama is the White House and with the Senate the way it is- it's a show for cameras.




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#6 7 years ago

Come on MercZ, we're talking about the folks who believe Obama is setting up Death Panels to kill all the old white people. ;)




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#7 7 years ago
Joe Bonham;5461505Come on MercZ, we're talking about the folks who believe Obama is setting up Death Panels to kill all the old white people. ;)

Well, just to add to this, the "reform" in its present state is not all that different from one of the Republican alternatives during the Clinton times when they were arguing over the same issue (by then Rhode Island senator Chafee in 1993).

Chart: Comparing Health Reform Bills: Democrats and Republicans 2009, Republicans 1993 - Kaiser Health News




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#8 7 years ago

Well there's a reason they're called conservatives.

Con is the word for everything negative...




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#9 7 years ago

Schofield;5461530Well there's a reason they're called conservatives.

Con is the word for everything negative...

"Conservative" isn't derived from that I think. It doesn't necessarily mean what the "reform" is necessarily good either to be honest. I have my own issues with what is being passed off as "reform", but not along the feel good "free-market", debt arguments, and "choice" (who'd've thought the Republicans embrace that word considering the associations with abortions?) rhetoric that has been thrown around.

They can't do anything until they manage to get a president in the white house and even out the senate though. This is a show right now, especially for the tea-party types.




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#10 7 years ago

TheMirage;5461487I'm not debating the idea that everyone deserves access to affordable health care. And I don't think they are either. The issue here is that it should not be paid for by the federal government via taxpayer dollars.

And could you please tell me what the point of that last sentence was?

Adding to this. I believe there was a better way to go about than the "mystery box" approach in the first place. Secondly, one reason we are so far in debt is because of these social programs. If we dropped some select ones that aren't doing much good anyway or cutting some coverage for a few years to rebuild our resources (at least until we are out of the red), then we will have more federal resources with which to build more effective programs with adequate funding.

The government is supposed to help while people get back on their feet and can be self-sufficient, however with the continued programs in which people have to permanently rely upon the government is taking away the American sense of independence, at least mainly for those who are cheating or exploiting the system.


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