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Embee

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#1 7 years ago

Now, everybody here is intelligent enough to know what that is. But my question is, to what extent would you use that rule ? It is nice and such to say "Eye for an eye for an eye for an eye and everyone will become blind", or "By taking revenge, you're equal to your enemy, by forgiving, you're better" and such, but I don't think that you'll be able to think to these things once you want to take revenge. Yes, revenge is a very nasty stain that'll only be removed through blood. The day harm is done to your family (and I mean something like murder, rape, ...) I bet that the first thing you'd do is to tear that guys head off. Now, let's make it clear. I know that revenge is a bad thing and that you should try to get over it. But I also know that if someone of my family gets murdered I'd go crazy and, if able, kill the murderer. Just like in Iran. A girl got raped by a guy and that guy got caught and executed in public. You'd say that that's barbarism, backwarded, but if you'd think a little bit, what would you do if your sister, or for some of us, yourself, got raped ? I'm sure you'd want his death. I would. Even better, I would put that guy in a prison where the inmates haven't seen women for over 20 years. So, to what extent would YOU use that concept ? As a second question, what would you do if harm was done to your family ?




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#2 7 years ago

I believe that punishment should fit the crime. But I also don't believe in taking the law into your own hands. If you want a good example of that, just watch Mystic River. Of course, if you believe other wise, you could have him owe years of service or debt to the person to which he committed the offense.


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#3 7 years ago

I wouldn't torture a guy just for fun, but if someone fucked me over and it was practical to kill them in return I probably would. It's just instinctive; if you know them well enough to take revenge then they know you well enough to keep screwing you over - remove the threat.




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#4 7 years ago
computernerd;5395514I believe that punishment should fit the crime.

So if I rape someone, I should get raped myself? Now my question to you is, why are we doing crimes ourselves (to the criminals), to show the criminals that doing crimes is wrong?




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#5 7 years ago

Well, I believe in using the Death Penalty on serial killers. Not really because they killed but more because they have shown that they are of no benefit to society and don't value another persons life enough for their life to be worth anything.

In way of revenge, I am actually a very hateful person. If for instances my girlfriend was raped (thinking about it scares me and heightens my Heart Rate) I would have no problem killing the perpetrator in the most painful way possible.

Revenge is a right and a wrong, it is a form of punishment and criminals should be punished. But, it is much easier for revenge to get out of hand than it is to keep under control. And that is where the problem lies.




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#6 7 years ago
Stratopwn3r;5395571Well, I believe in using the Death Penalty on serial killers. Not really because they killed but more because they have shown that they are of no benefit to society and don't value another persons life enough for their life to be worth anything.

Why? They fit into our every day lives perfectly, the only problem is they kill people. They can be beneficial to society, most are very intelligent, if given the chance they could possibly do great things, we just never given them that chance. I do believe child predators should be sentenced to death though.




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#7 7 years ago

Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

~Mahatma Gandhi

Through violence, you may ’solve’ one problem, but you sow the seeds for another. ~Buddha

I'll let the law deal with them, I will not hunt someone down and rape/murder/beat them beacuse then you become them and thus your "revenge" for your friend/loved/family is tainted. Do you think they'd want you to become what you hate?

then lets say you killed the the killer what if the killers friend sought out revenge as well? then killed you? The well your Victory is a Defeat.

To answer your last question, again I'd let the law deal with them I know my ma and pa wouldn't want me to become a killer or be like the "The Punisher". The police would be called and I'd let them deal with it. Not go all Frank Castle on there asses.


[color=#000000][size=2][b][i]Heralds of the coming doom, Like the cry of the Raven, we are drawn, This oath of war and vengeance, On a blade of exalted iron sworn, With blood anointed swords



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#8 7 years ago

An interesting subject for discussion here...

Embee;5395508But my question is, to what extent would you use that rule? So, to what extent would YOU use that concept?[/quote]I think the rule depends on the situation.

Embee;5395508As a second question, what would you do if harm was done to your family?[/QUOTE]If harm was done to a member of my family, or a close friend, by another, I'd want that other person punished to such an extent, that they'd never dare think about doing said crime again. I think that's fair.

computernerd;5395514I believe that punishment should fit the crime. But I also don't believe in taking the law into your own hands. If you want a good example of that, just watch Mystic River. Of course, if you believe other wise, you could have him owe years of service or debt to the person to which he committed the offense.[/QUOTE]From highlighted, sometimes I fear the law must be taken into your own hands, for the law enforcement just don't get the job done.

Schofield;5395522So if I rape someone, I should get raped myself?[/quote]Is the idea appealing? :naughty:
Schofield;5395522Now my question to you is, why are we doing crimes ourselves (to the criminals), to show the criminals that doing crimes is wrong?

A valid argument, though the way I'd think of it, you'd be letting said bunch of criminals know that you aren't one to be taking shit from them.

[QUOTE=Stratopwn3r;5395571]Well, I believe in using the Death Penalty on serial killers. Not really because they killed but more because they have shown that they are of no benefit to society and don't value another persons life enough for their life to be worth anything.

In addition to the possibility that said killer is quite capable of killing again.

That's just what I don't get about people that dislike the death penalty. If you've got someone who has been caught murdering, raping, or molesting another, why on earth would you want to keep them around?

Not only are you paying for them to live (we pay tax, some of which goes toward keeping these people behind bars, but alive and in good health). Why? They don't deserve such. Save keeping them behind bars, I'd rather used said tax money to have them put down, and then into a box under the ground. It's no more than they deserve.

[QUOTE=Schofield;5395591]Why? They fit into our every day lives perfectly, the only problem is they kill people. They can be beneficial to society, most are very intelligent, if given the chance they could possibly do great things, we just never given them that chance.

So intelligent that they go around killing people because they want too.. [QUOTE=Schofield;5395591]I do believe child predators should be sentenced to death though.

Let me get this right;

You're saying that killers might be able to contribute to society if they're given the chance, but all paedophiles and child-predators should be sentenced to death? Contradiction much?

Surely if a child predator should be sentenced to death, then so should a killer. Likewise, if a killer can contribute to society, then so can a child predator.

[QUOTE=Uwsar-Hat-Anupuw;5395632]then lets say you killed the the killer what if the killers friend sought out revenge as well? then killed you? The well your Victory is a Defeat.

That would be the irony.

I think, for such a discussion, it depends on the problem. Obviously if you found a killer, and killed him, that sounds pretty simple. But if you found a rapist, or child predator, how exactly would you punish them with a similar crime? Throwing said rapist into a prison full of sex-starved men doesn't guarantee he'll have his ass stretched. He could end up as one of 'them'.




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#9 7 years ago
Schofield;5395591Why? They fit into our every day lives perfectly, the only problem is they kill people. They can be beneficial to society, most are very intelligent, if given the chance they could possibly do great things, we just never given them that chance.

Well, they may be on the verge of discovering a cure for cancer.... I some how doubt that.

Most serial killers go after a certain demographic; Black people, white people, women, men, upper class, middle class, lower class, immigrants, business people... etc The people in the demographic the serial killer is targeting will most likely be scared shitless if they live in the target area, I know I would. That in turn damages society because it lowers the productivity of the people who are scared of becoming the next target.

I do believe child predators should be sentenced to death though.

Serial Child molesters do not belong on this earth




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#10 7 years ago

Just for clarification, people seem to forget that the last half of the "eye for an eye" saying basically says "Yeah, you've heard that. But don't do that. If you're slapped, turn the other cheek."