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#21 8 years ago

Embee you may be pro revenge, but you're an extreme sadist if you can willingly do that to someone just because they did something indirectly to you. In my opinion, you're 10 times worse than said rapist, he did something wrong, and you torture him for it. I'd probably beat him up a bit then turn him in, I'm not weak enough to go down to their level of play.




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#22 8 years ago

I don't quite see the point of an eye for an eye-type of revenge. Sure, you will have an interesting experience when you end up serving more time than your victim, but who will that help? Your girlfriend who was raped and is now left alone? I don't think so.

I'd want to be able to say that I certainly wouldn't take revenge myself, but that's a stretch. I can be very detached from situations, but it's a lot to ask to leave some sort of human cockroach alone if he had the great taste to choose someone close to me as his victim. I'd prefer to wait a while though, and when the system was done with him, I'd try my best to ensure that he'd never have a good nights sleep in his life again. Nothing that gets you a lot of time if you are caught, but enough to remind him that what he did can't be undone.

This might sound a bit creepy, but I don't believe in violence, and does anyone really believe some rotten crook would remember a beating that wouldn't land you a lot of time?




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#23 8 years ago

Forgiving is B. S. Why are you going to allow someone to harm you with no repercussion?




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#24 8 years ago
Schofield;5395977Embee you may be pro revenge, but you're an extreme sadist if you can willingly do that to someone just because they did something indirectly to you. In my opinion, you're 10 times worse than said rapist, he did something wrong, and you torture him for it. I'd probably beat him up a bit then turn him in, I'm not weak enough to go down to their level of play.

Look, that guy thinks about raping someone, takes them down and satisfies his desires. So, did he even think about what kind of emotional, sometimes physical damage he actually inflicted upon the victim ? Isn't he a sadist too then? That torture is NOTHING compared to what the victim has to go through. If I'd tie the guy up and leave the victim with him, with some tools, like, say, chainsaws ? Nails ? Knives ? I'm pretty much sure that within ten minutes, she'll leave the room with bloodstains on her apron. That is, if she dares to do it and isn't afraid of the guy, which is quite possible. In that case, I'd take care of him. These lowlifes don't deserve to get the privilege of dieing too fast or to be locked up, just to continue after some time. You do say I'm a sadist now, but sometimes that's all a society needs to show lowlifes what it'll cost them to actually hurt other people while being EXTREMELY selfish. Furthermore, I think that the first thing that'd come to your mind after someone you love gets raped (which hopefully will NEVER happen) will be revenge, and making the other guy pay. That is what would come to me.




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#25 8 years ago

Mr. Pedantic;5395749That would be pragmatic. So does that mean 'an eye for an eye' apply only for people who have no friends to revenge their untimely demise?[/QUOTE]Not what I was getting at.

If you (relation to said victim) killed a killer, and then were killed yourself, it would be ironic that, because of your actions, you could end up the same as the person you've just killed, because they'd have killed.

Schofield;5395808Making the decision to kill someone isn't a matter of intellect. The military makes decisions to kill you, does that make them idiots?[/quote]I wasn't talking about the military. I'm specifically referring people who kill, randomly, for 'fun', or because a voice in their head told them to do it. [QUOTE=Schofield;5395808]Child predators can be beneficial to society, and they are with their jobs. But anyone who preys on children should be cast off this earth, they can't defend themselves, they can't do anyone, they probably wouldn't even think to pick up a nearby object to fight back unless their parents told them too.

I have no disagreement with this.

[QUOTE=Schofield;5395808]In your mind maybe, you see child predators aren't as bad as killers, I think the opposite. However that could be because I have a deep fascination with the mind of serial killers, I dream of interviewing one some day.

It wasn't the comparison you think it was.




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#26 8 years ago

Embee;5396403Look, that guy thinks about raping someone, takes them down and satisfies his desires. So, did he even think about what kind of emotional, sometimes physical damage he actually inflicted upon the victim ? Isn't he a sadist too then? That torture is NOTHING compared to what the victim has to go through. [/QUOTE] Calm down a bit. How can you compare these things if you have no idea of how either of them feels?

Either way, a rapist could at least in theory not be a sadist if he didn't think about the pain he caused or didn't like it. Not that it really matters though, do you really want to be at least as bad as that creep?

Embee;5396403If I'd tie the guy up and leave the victim with him, with some tools, like, say, chainsaws ? Nails ? Knives ? I'm pretty much sure that within ten minutes, she'll leave the room with bloodstains on her apron. That is, if she dares to do it and isn't afraid of the guy, which is quite possible. In that case, I'd take care of him. [/QUOTE] Even if she had your horrible temper, she would regret it sooner than later and rightfully blame you. Chances are you'd never see her again.

Don't believe me? Go ahead and ask her. I don't take any responsibility for your new image as a psycho though.

[QUOTE=Embee;5396403]These lowlifes don't deserve to get the privilege of dieing too fast or to be locked up, just to continue after some time. You do say I'm a sadist now, but sometimes that's all a society needs to show lowlifes what it'll cost them to actually hurt other people while being EXTREMELY selfish.

I can agree with that, but you'd have to calm down first and consider the circumstances. What if the guy you want to rape really regrets it and would never do it again? Does he really need to be mutilated to be a productive citizen again? [QUOTE=Embee;5396403]Furthermore, I think that the first thing that'd come to your mind after someone you love gets raped (which hopefully will NEVER happen) will be revenge, and making the other guy pay. That is what would come to me.

Do you realize that you make yourself sound very similar to the rapist who couldn't control himself? Even though revenge is something that will pop into the minds of most people at some point, many can control their feelings and might be more concerned about the wellbeing of the victim rather than the perpetrator...

Think about it, who does that sort of train of thought help? Certainly not you or the victim. Possibly the perpetrator who gets to view himself as the victim, provided that you don't kill him and have his mates make you follow suit, but is that what you want?




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#27 8 years ago
Huffardo;5396497Calm down a bit. How can you compare these things if you have no idea of how either of them feels?

Well, I'm calm =p. Otherwise I'd smash the caps lock button. How I'd know how either of them feels ? Well, most people who got raped have been through hell to stand back up. Their lives have been destroyed by that event, so that's why I'd destroy their lives too.

Either way, a rapist could at least in theory not be a sadist if he didn't think about the pain he caused or didn't like it. Not that it really matters though, do you really want to be at least as bad as that creep?

Well, a rapist selfish enough to not even think the pain the victim (will) suffers from ... And yes, I'd be as bad as that creep. Heck, I'd even be worse.

Even if she had your horrible temper, she would regret it sooner than later and rightfully blame you. Chances are you'd never see her again.

I think we're taking it a bit out of context. I wouldn't really revenge an unknown victim. I should've put "my sister" as the victim to make it clear, but again, it's too frightening to even write down that someone you love gets raped (or murdered)

Don't believe me? Go ahead and ask her. I don't take any responsibility for your new image as a psycho though.

I've got that image for years. Doesn't disturb me. I'm the radical son of a bitch who'd clean the mess up ... And sometimes, that's all you need.

What if the guy you want to rape really regrets it and would never do it again? Does he really need to be mutilated to be a productive citizen again?

Like the good ol' line: "Should have thought about it before committing a crime" Otherwise, like I said, give them a second chance, but restrict some things to them. If he ever starts again, then no need for procedures or lawsuits. Give them to the people like me. We'll take gooooood care of him.

Do you realize that you make yourself sound very similar to the rapist who couldn't control himself? Even though revenge is something that will pop into the minds of most people at some point, many can control their feelings and might be more concerned about the wellbeing of the victim rather than the perpetrator...

The rapist who couldn't control himself ? Could be, but still, there are some other ways to let off some steam. And, I should make it clear: people who've repeated these crimes should get tortured. Unless it's my family, my loved ones or my close friends, then, no need for repetition. It's true that I can't really control my feelings, when this overcomes me. For small things like ... humiliation in class or robbery, bwah, these thing pass, but destroying a loved ones life, ... Then I'd go berserk on that fucker

Possibly the perpetrator who gets to view himself as the victim, provided that you don't kill him and have his mates make you follow suit, but is that what you want?

If his mates still follow that fuckhead, then I'd think that his mates are a little bit more cranked up than me. Should my best friend become a rapist, then I'd scratch him out of my life. The society which I live in is too light. It's paradise for mobsters and criminals. You kill people here, sit down for a few years if you're lucky, then start again and again and again. Marc Dutroux, that motherfucker whom I'd love to change the facial bone structure, still lives. He has raped atleast 6 kids and most of these poor beings are now six feet under the ground. Do you think he deserves, even slightly, to be jailed ? Wouldn't you prefer him to come to insight through the hard way? And do you know what their families are going through. The smallest detail could shatter their souls again after all this time of recovery ... Now this is something that kills me. If your neighbour's kid gets kidnapped, raped and killed, and your neighbour tortures that guy in a cruel way, then you'd call that 'barbarism' and 'low leveled'. But the day your kid shares the same fate (which I, again, don't wish to anybody here, and may God protect them), you'd sing the gospel while chopping that lowlife's legs off...




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#28 8 years ago

The eye for an eye concept got pushed out from contemporary legal systems for very good reasons over time. It really is a system that works very very well for societies in the beginning. Tends to be pretty balanced in feudal societies as well.

The problem is, it tends to grate with modern society concepts which tries to push a reformation of the criminal above pure punishment. Admittedly some of the punishments are purely punishing - life imprisoment for instance, but at the same times, various small crimes are handled in accordance to their severity.

A petty thief should not be marked for life as one. He ought to have a chance to be reformed.

Now as to the ultimate punishment - Many would argue that the death penalty is better, more "cruel" and economical than life imprisonment. I would argue against that. Life imprisonment is cheaper, and far far more cruel than death.

Overall a normal relatively balanced system of punishment tends to work better for the state than an eye for an eye system. Let alone the Sharia system which essentiall goes eye for a pair of eyes when you think about it.




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#29 8 years ago
Embee;5396403Look, that guy thinks about raping someone, takes them down and satisfies his desires. So, did he even think about what kind of emotional, sometimes physical damage he actually inflicted upon the victim ? Isn't he a sadist too then? That torture is NOTHING compared to what the victim has to go through. If I'd tie the guy up and leave the victim with him, with some tools, like, say, chainsaws ? Nails ? Knives ?[/QUOTE] Yes he is a sadist, and you're a retard if you think becoming a sadist in return will drive away those urges he has to rape.
Embee;5396403I'm pretty much sure that within ten minutes, she'll leave the room with bloodstains on her apron. That is, if she dares to do it and isn't afraid of the guy, which is quite possible. In that case, I'd take care of him.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure if she has a brain she won't, what is cutting the man up going to do for her? Sure she'll know he can't hurt her again, but he probably wouldn't have anyway, rapists don't go for the same victim twice, it's all about control and he would have known he already controlled her. Thus that sadistic little mind of yours becomes useless once again.
Embee;5396403These lowlifes don't deserve to get the privilege of dieing too fast or to be locked up, just to continue after some time.[/QUOTE] You seem to be a bigger threat to society then these "lowlifes". Sure they'll go out and force sex upon someone, but you'll go out and cut a mans balls off just so see him in pain.
Embee;5396403You do say I'm a sadist now, but sometimes that's all a society needs to show lowlifes what it'll cost them to actually hurt other people while being EXTREMELY selfish.[/QUOTE] What the fuck? Are you justifying becoming a sadist just to show other sadists their way of life is wrong? You need some help.
Embee;5396403Furthermore, I think that the first thing that'd come to your mind after someone you love gets raped (which hopefully will NEVER happen) will be revenge, and making the other guy pay.[/QUOTE] Worse things have happened in my family. Yes I wanted revenge, but I knew even if I confronted the person responsible I wouldn't actually do anything severe, cutting someones balls off means you're just as sick as them, you can deny that all you want but it's true.
Aerilon;5396489If you (relation to said victim) killed a killer, and then were killed yourself, it would be ironic that, because of your actions, you could end up the same as the person you've just killed, because they'd have killed.[/QUOTE] It wouldn't be ironic, because you'd be dead... [QUOTE=Aerilon;5396489]I wasn't talking about the military. I'm specifically referring people who kill, randomly, for 'fun', or because a voice in their head told them to do it.
Ok, I'll drop the military. Killing someone still isn't an intellectual thing. [QUOTE=Aerilon;5396489]It wasn't the comparison you think it was.
Whick comparison are you talking about? [QUOTE=Huffardo;5396497]Calm down a bit. How can you compare these things if you have no idea of how either of them feels?
He can't. [QUOTE=Huffardo;5396497]Either way, a rapist could at least in theory not be a sadist if he didn't think about the pain he caused or didn't like it. Not that it really matters though, do you really want to be at least as bad as that creep?
You're right, there are a ton of non-sadistic rapists, so cutting someones balls off because you think it's the right thing to do, and it would make you and the victim better off, is a selfish and sadistic act. [QUOTE=Huffardo;5396497]I can agree with that, but you'd have to calm down first and consider the circumstances. What if the guy you want to rape really regrets it and would never do it again? Does he really need to be mutilated to be a productive citizen again?
Apparently all low lifes need their balls cut off. [QUOTE=Huffardo;5396497]Do you realize that you make yourself sound very similar to the rapist who couldn't control himself? Even though revenge is something that will pop into the minds of most people at some point, many can control their feelings and might be more concerned about the wellbeing of the victim rather than the perpetrator...

Most rape victims can even control their feelings, my mom used to work at a rape crisis center, most of those women come out stronger (mentally) then they were before they were raped, although they were traumatized. Only a few women wanted revenge, and a few got it, but even they never went to the extreme of cutting someones balls of. So if the rape victim can come to their senses and Embee can't, then we have a problem. However, if something like this did happen and he was in the right position for revenge, he probably couldn't even try to cut the mans balls off. Knives and the human body don't go together as easily as it would seem they do, as seen on TV. Yawn... Revenge is a mostly selfish act.




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#30 8 years ago

Personally, I believe that it is better for a criminal to live with sorrow and regret for the rest of his life than to kill him at the earliest possible opportunity. Now say if a man who really doesn't care about the feelings of others and is a repeat offender and just really is beyond all help, then you can take drastic measures.


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