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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia does not want confrontation with the West but will hit back if attacked, Kremlin leader Dmitry Medvedev said on Sunday, a day before EU leaders meet to draft a response to Moscow's actions in Georgia.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown on Sunday said he would press fellow European Union leaders to review ties to Russia in retaliation for Moscow's decision to sent troops to Georgia and recognize two Georgian breakaway regions.

But underlining the differences in approach inside the 27-member EU, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier took a softer line, saying isolating Russia would harm the interests of the bloc.

In a last-minute round of diplomacy before Monday's emergency EU summit in Brussels, both Medvedev and U.S. President George W. Bush spoke to Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, who is seen as sympathetic to the Kremlin.

Medvedev faces growing condemnation from the West, which accuses Russia of occupying parts of Georgia, while the Kremlin said it acted to prevent what it called genocide against the separatist regions.

"Russia does not want confrontation with any country. Russia does not plan to isolate itself. Russia will develop, as far as possible, its relations with Europe, with the United States of America, and with other countries," Medvedev said in an interview with Russia's three main television stations.

But he added: "Everyone should understand that if someone launches an aggressive sortie, he will receive a response." He said Russian law allowed the Kremlin to impose sanctions on other states, though it preferred not to go down that path.

Defying Western condemnation of his decision to recognize Georgia's breakaway Abkhazia and South Ossetia as independent, Medvedev said that move was "irrevocable."

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He also said there were parts of the globe where Russia had "privileged interests" -- a clear warning that the Kremlin will not accept NATO expansion into Russia's traditional sphere of influence.

ROOT-AND-BRANCH REVIEW

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said Russia's intervention in Georgia was dangerous and unacceptable for Europe.

"In the light of Russian actions, the EU should review -- root and branch -- our relationship with Russia," Brown wrote in a comment published in Britain's Observer newspaper.

Russia supplies more than a quarter of Europe's gas needs. Some observers say this makes tough punitive sanctions from the bloc unlikely.

The German foreign minister said Moscow deserved criticism but that European stability and security depended on cooperation with Russia.

"Thus Europe would only be hurting itself if we were to get full of emotion and slam all the doors shut to the rooms that we will want to enter afterwards," Steinmeier said.

Speaking on a visit to Istanbul, Georgia's Foreign Minister Ekaterine Tkeshelashvili said it was "not pivotal" that the EU impose sanctions on Russia but it must take steps to deter Russian aggression.

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The emergency summit is a test of unity for the EU, which struggles to reconcile differences between states which want punitive action and others, including European heavyweights France and Germany, which favor a more calibrated approach.

Russia sent in its troops after Georgia's military tried to retake South Ossetia, like Abkhazia a Moscow-backed region which rejects Tbilisi's rule.

Moscow has pulled out the bulk of its forces in line with a ceasefire deal but has kept soldiers and equipment in "security zones," which include undisputed Georgian territory around South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Western governments have demanded that Moscow pull its troops back to pre-conflict positions. The Kremlin says the troops are peacekeepers needed to protect the separatist regions from new Georgian aggression.

"Whatever people say, right is on our side. We conducted ourselves absolutely morally and in line with international law," Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said in his own interview with Russian television.

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said in a statement that Bush, a leading critic of Russia's actions in Georgia, called Berlusconi on Sunday morning.

"The leaders discussed the importance of supporting Georgia's territorial integrity, and the need for Russia to comply with all elements of the ceasefire agreement and withdraw its troops from Georgia," Perino said.

Signaling Washington's support for its Georgian ally, the navy command ship USS Mount Whitney was en route to Georgia. The Pentagon said it was carrying relief supplies but the Kremlin has accused the United States of military posturing.

(Reporting by Giles Elgood in London, Thomas Grove in Istanbul, Erik Kirschbaum in Berlin, Guy Faulconbridge and Conor Sweeney in Moscow, Jeremy Pelofsky in Washington and Mark John in Brussels

An intresting predicament. World War I started for even less reason but primarily because big proud countries through they're support behind smaller and less significant countries. This tells me one thing. Russia's ambitions in this reason is (perhaps) to reestablish it's former Union at least in some capacity.

From what I understand treaties prevent global governments from taking over countries at will. But they can back civil wars and recognize insurgence. They can arm them and place individuals in power by support who would align with their wishes.

My Question is. When is the last time America has done this? :Back a civil group attempting to seperate from a Nation. :Armed the seperatist :Backed the Seperatist with military forces of the US and allowed a foot hold. : Disregarded global instruction to standdown from the conflict.

Please forgive the Star Trek reference...but it sounds like Earth could use a Prime Directive of it's own.




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Dude your govenment is the most active at arming insurgents, your govenment, as much as alot wont like or believe, instigate alot of the little wars and civil fights around the world, your govenment supplies arms to 3rd world countries, as there population starves, for reasons right or wrong, America is one of the biggest active players at that game. And dont you remember Isreal, a nation we created in the middle of , whats now basicly a permanent war zone. disregard global, LOL IRAQ ! WOW ! As for russia and all them cut n pastes up there, consider it the other way around. America is building a new missile defence system. Russia hate it. Similar to, Russia putting NuKeS in CUBA, America hated the idea. Now consider what America did to physicly stop russia from arming cuba with nulea weapons, with the navel blockade, very very close to a 3rd world war then. Consider russia as pre-empting America and taking a stretegic position in relation to the new missile system, which has a location sight in georga.Smart or stupid?America would have done the same thing. Russians wont let America have such huge influence so close to there motherland.And do you blame them ?Do you trust them ? Correct and they think the same about you. Obviously theres alot more to this conflict than ANY of the major parties are telling us. l would agree humans need a set of guidlines to unify us all, the problem with that is we all need to be on one page of understanding, that is IMPOSSIBLE while so many people believe in differing gods/religions. Regardless of what people think, ie, religions dont start wars , which is plain BS, becasue the religion defines belief and instills the belief of our god must be the right god, which leads to wars, worse than that, for man to truelly unite, we really need to do away with religion all together and all practice science, with science were all on one page, with science we advance, with religion we de-volve.




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#3 10 years ago

I, seriously, couldn't help but get a massive headache by reading that above post. Dear God man, please tell me English is a second language for you.




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It is.And lm dislexic.sucks to be me at times, sry mate.l know my writing aint the best, l did tech collage not english ! LOL !l try to make it understandable is all.




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#5 10 years ago

Georgia attacked Russian civilians and the south, Russia responded. Much like America and 911, terriosts attacked American civilians (and many others) and so America responded. Fair play.




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Dursk;4548110PartII

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An intresting predicament. World War I started for even less reason but primarily because big proud countries through they're support behind smaller and less significant countries. This tells me one thing. Russia's ambitions in this reason is (perhaps) to reestablish it's former Union at least in some capacity.

From what I understand treaties prevent global governments from taking over countries at will. But they can back civil wars and recognize insurgence. They can arm them and place individuals in power by support who would align with their wishes.

My Question is. When is the last time America has done this? :Back a civil group attempting to seperate from a Nation. :Armed the seperatist :Backed the Seperatist with military forces of the US and allowed a foot hold. : Disregarded global instruction to standdown from the conflict.

Please forgive the Star Trek reference...but it sounds like Earth could use a Prime Directive of it's own.

Afghanistan versus Russia. Georgia versus Russia.

Who cares. It isn't like the entirety of the US army is breathing down Russia's neck. Ffs, they have ONE ship going out with supplies and have made no other moves.

Get off the hate bandwagon and get on where the problem lies. The problem is within Russia.. Not wanting to give up any more of it's territory because it feels it is losing the arms race. GUESS WHAT ? YOU ALREADY LOST IT. Leave the dead horse alone and stop beating it.

Concentrate more on your economics and trade policies so you can grow up to be a strong little country the way your neighbors are.

China didn't ask why the united states helped russia the last time we shipped raw materials and medicine to the country.... Funny how that works. They accept and accept, but when we ( the US ) help some other country, it is about massing military might. Get over it. Before you really get to understand what it is to have the last TRUE world power breathing down your neck.

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This post ( again) was to show people how they sound when they take their inquiries to the level of Hate mongering. The original poster should be asking why Georigia is looking to break away, not why they are getting help from the United states. What did russia do to piss them off?

But I do agree with Vasili. If you punch me in the eye... I am gonna smack you back ... Maybe harder cause you started it.




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#7 10 years ago

Well, usually when a country is attacked, they'll respond... isn't this the reason why we have defense spending in the end?

Russia's generals have been quite funny though, really belligerent, more so than Putin an Co., but the most they will do I see is cut gas shipments during the winter to who ever pisses them off.

The US and West'd better at least try to show some support for nations like Ukraine and Poland, not so much with this mess that Georgia is in.




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Generally, the south ossettian crisis would be simple. the only problem is, South ossettia is a disputed area. on one level, Russia are right, in that their territory got invaded by a much smaller country. on another level, Russia are wrong to attack georgia viciously, virtually destroy their army, and bomb them after Georgia stopped.




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Dexters perferated undies;4548267Dude your govenment is the most active at arming insurgents, your govenment, as much as alot wont like or believe, instigate alot of the little wars and civil fights around the world, your govenment supplies arms to 3rd world countries, as there population starves, for reasons right or wrong, America is one of the biggest active players at that game. And dont you remember Isreal, a nation we created in the middle of , whats now basicly a permanent war zone. disregard global, LOL IRAQ ! WOW ! As for russia and all them cut n pastes up there, consider it the other way around. America is building a new missile defence system. Russia hate it. Similar to, Russia putting NuKeS in CUBA, America hated the idea. Now consider what America did to physicly stop russia from arming cuba with nulea weapons, with the navel blockade, very very close to a 3rd world war then. Consider russia as pre-empting America and taking a stretegic position in relation to the new missile system, which has a location sight in georga.Smart or stupid?America would have done the same thing. Russians wont let America have such huge influence so close to there motherland.And do you blame them ?Do you trust them ? Correct and they think the same about you. Obviously theres alot more to this conflict than ANY of the major parties are telling us. l would agree humans need a set of guidlines to unify us all, the problem with that is we all need to be on one page of understanding, that is IMPOSSIBLE while so many people believe in differing gods/religions. Regardless of what people think, ie, religions dont start wars , which is plain BS, becasue the religion defines belief and instills the belief of our god must be the right god, which leads to wars, worse than that, for man to truelly unite, we really need to do away with religion all together and all practice science, with science were all on one page, with science we advance, with religion we de-volve.[/QUOTE]

I can't lay claim to completely understanding your post, Undies. I would say in response. A shield is protection. Nukes are for destruction. Russia defiance of the shield seems to be indicative of a government that intends to instigate hostilities.

Vasili;4548342Georgia attacked Russian civilians and the south, Russia responded. Much like America and 911, terriosts attacked American civilians (and many others) and so America responded. Fair play.

It seems to be more of a matter of perspective. I have to say this addresses only one part of the original post.

Should countries back insurgents....Is this not tampering?

[QUOTE=~Merrick;4548359]Afghanistan versus Russia. Georgia versus Russia.

Who cares. It isn't like the entirety of the US army is breathing down Russia's neck. Ffs, they have ONE ship going out with supplies and have made no other moves.

Get off the hate bandwagon and get on where the problem lies. The problem is within Russia.. Not wanting to give up any more of it's territory because it feels it is losing the arms race. GUESS WHAT ? YOU ALREADY LOST IT. Leave the dead horse alone and stop beating it.

Concentrate more on your economics and trade policies so you can grow up to be a strong little country the way your neighbors are.

China didn't ask why the united states helped russia the last time we shipped raw materials and medicine to the country.... Funny how that works. They accept and accept, but when we ( the US ) help some other country, it is about massing military might. Get over it. Before you really get to understand what it is to have the last TRUE world power breathing down your neck.

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This post ( again) was to show people how they sound when they take their inquiries to the level of Hate mongering. The original poster should be asking why Georigia is looking to break away, not why they are getting help from the United states. What did russia do to piss them off?

But I do agree with Vasili. If you punch me in the eye... I am gonna smack you back ... Maybe harder cause you started it.

A very strong position. Does might makes right really justify the conflict that insues?




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A very strong position. Does might makes right really justify the conflict that insues?

Not always m8.. but when Russia doesn't have a leg to stand on at the moment. They should just admit wrong doing on their part... Back up and enjoy some peace and quiet before someone really " kicks their door in" .... Doesn't necessarily have to be the US... Believe me, I may not always agree with my government, lord knows the last 8 years have sucked, but still, people get pissed off at us because we " help " everyone... They forget that we helped EVERYONE... Including the ones that are pissed off at us today... And the ones that will be pissed off at us tomorrow.

Russia needs to ( as i have stated) look to their own foregrounds and see what is going on at home... So they are losing a little bit of land because the people have decided they can do it on their own... Are they going to be like the brits and send over their army as they did when George washington and friends came over ?

No. It would really cost them too much. Russia should wish them luck and make good on a better over all theme. Make themselves look like the " good guys" and wait for the Georgian politics to really hit the fan.

I can be proud of the country I live in and still hate the politics. There is a seperation there. We as a nation still take in ALL COMERS> people come here to get their education and if they are from foreign soil, usually get it for free. Could anyone complain about that ? where else can you really do that? The United States, the Brokest, Most Giving country in all the world.

Almost every country's political venue owes us, but then spits in our face trying to collect... Do i blame a frenchman when he sits down to breakfast with me? No ... I blame his government. Is the Chinese guy at the local Wok shop at fault? No way .. His country's government.Just like you dursk, are you from Russia? Do i blame you? Nooooo... should you blame me ? Nahhhhh ... Let the government do what it is going to do and hate them for it.

I have heard EVERYTHING and EVERY joke about how the terrorist war was about oil. If it were, I would be paying 4.00 a gallon for gas and neither would the rest of the nation. This is just us choosing to help someone, and the other person is pissed off. Sucks.. but that is the way it goes. When you become Premier of your country, let me know so we can do lunch and talk about ... who we want to be pissed at today cause they are helping the little guy out a little.