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#1 9 months ago

I'm sure everyone has read about this now but;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43295134

My question is, simply, this is not the first time that the Russian Government has seemingly had somebody killed on UK soil, but like with the times before, I strongly doubt the UK will do anything except release a few condemning press releases. It's scary to think the Kremlin can just order a hit on somebody within the UK and they can carry that out with virtual impunity.

Police are currently working to identify the source of the nerve agent which was used but I doubt this will go anywhere.

Will the UK have the will to do something should evidence come back pointing squarely at Russia?


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#2 9 months ago

What can we do? Whack a couple of Russian diplomats? Kill a few of the people who we exchanged for him?

I mean I suppose it may be worth a try but that sort of thing can as easily lead to rounds of reciprocal escalation as anything else. Maybe we need to have a discussion with them off the books that goes, more or less, "We don't believe it wasn't you, and if it happens again we're going to start killing your people."

Although that kind of assumes that we haven't been killing their people - who knows how true that is. :/

If anything happens, we won't know about it - a strongly worded letter will be as far as it goes in the public eye, if it even goes that far.




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#3 9 months ago

Russia has a long history of seeing just how far they can push things before they get pushed back. I don't think it's a coincidence that this happened right around the time they started saying they have unstoppable nuclear weapons.


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#4 9 months ago

They get away with way more than seems right, in this case it may be not so unusual though as it is plausible for intelligence agencies to try to get to defectors or double agents in order to set an example. That is probably why they kill them with such unusual methods - it leaves little doubt about who did the killing.

I'm curious how western intelligence agencies treat double agents.




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#5 9 months ago

This keeps popping up as BBC News Breaking - but honestly it feels a bit Daily Mail ish - there's not many facts and many speculators.


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#6 9 months ago

We likely won't know what response - if any - that the UK decides to go with for a few years. These things play out in the shadows. That being said, I do find the public nature of this to be rather weird. Using something that's spread as easily, risking collateral damage, is... Reckless? Are they sending a message to the intelligence community or the government?




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#7 9 months ago

A public action requires a public response. The fact that the Russian government was able to take such a blatant action it mandates a response. The response shouldn't be killing someone but there are still plenty of sanctions options on the table. Its the only thing that has actually impacted the Russians.


I imagine there will also be some espionage attempts to boost the Russian opposition but I don't think they've been very successful to date and probably have actually strengthened the Putin regime.




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#8 9 months ago

The government has confirmed that the agent used as poison in this case is Novichok, a chemical agent developed by the Soviet Union in the 1970s and 1980s. According to the government, there are only two likely scenarios here; it was either an attempted assassination by Russia, or they've lost control of a cache of the agent. The Russian ambassador has been summoned, and Theresa May has stated that if there's no 'credible response' by Tuesday evening, it will be considered an 'unlawful act of force' against the UK. Whatever that means.


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43377856




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#9 9 months ago

Probably war.


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#10 9 months ago

If anything, I think this would just result in the UK sending more troops to the Russo-European border, to be honest. 




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