Chemix2;3621736Lots of kids do bad things because they are thinking about not getting caught, rather than whether to do it based on morality itself. If you teach morals to your children and practice them, they will follow them for the sake of them.
I take it you don't have children?
Leaving your kids to run amuk does nothing either, and I have no tolerance for things like that, but I'd rather restrain my kid than smack him. I'd restrain them until they calmed down and if they started up again I'd do it again, nomatter how tiring it got, no matter how much duct tape I had to buy, they would be restrained. They take something important (keys), you take them back, without hitting them or smacking them and if they bite or kick or scream they are to be restrained until their struggling tires them out.
Wow, so basically you're teaching them they can get away with anything?
Restraining someone from doing something seems better than having them do it and then punishing them for it to introduce a deterent, which won't always be able to be applied. You can slap a little kid and they can't do much back, but what happens when you can't slap them and get away with it, they'll be there to punish, you.
I don't have children, and from what I recall, neither do you, but I know kids can be evil, bratty, sometimes even psychotic, though it doesn't change my point. Raising kids to do things because they are right and not do things because they are wrong, will do them much more good then teaching them based on a punishment and reward system, which appears to have little longterm effect. On further note, I hate the kids of today.
Voice of joy and sunshine
26th May 2003
It's possible, given the right knowledge and the right background to bring up a child without hitting it. It's a lengthily thing that takes a lot of effort and for the people that can do it hitting their children is wrong, or at least unnecessary. But not everyone has the skills or background to raise their children that way. Now you can say that if they don't have the skills to raise children without hitting them they shouldn't have children, and maybe they shouldn't. Practically though they do have children and they need to discipline those children.
Can skills not be taught? Is it not the intent for parents to get their children to listen, and if so why shouldn't the parents listen to those wiser than them.
Voice of joy and sunshine
26th May 2003
Sure skills can be taught subject to certain conditions like the parent's own upbringing and the availability of such training. Whether the parents are going to decide to learn, where the resources for that training are going to come from, and whether the training they'd end up with at the end of the day would be worth anything at all are all rather large question marks. As I see it even if by some miracle the government actually managed to pull off a bit of the education system that wasn't completely screwed to hell and managed to provide decent training very few parents would be willing to admit that there was something wrong with the way they raised their kids.
I didn't make it!
A line from Starship Troopers says it best “Violence is the supreme authority, from which all other authority is derived.” Taking this statement as is, disregarding the quality of the source, you'll find it’s quite true. A persons repentance and apologetic sentiments are not so much regret for the ill they have done, as they are for fear of the ill that may happen to them in consequence. Everything comes down to violence.
So nobody does the right thing to do the right thing, and doesn't want to do the wrong thing because that would be wrong. So I'm the only person that feels guilt? If that's true, what bloody sort of hell hole planet am I living on? I am as evil as anyone else though, but at least I repress it.
^ Im never going to smack my wee boy 'Chem :) I promise! Ive looked after a wee fella and a wee girl till they were 10years old, and never ONCE did I need to smack or thought of it. Yes they got out of line, they are kids, they will do that, but with talking and being firm they soon got the message without hitting the poor wee things! WE ARE THE ADULTS. Thanks.
I've never laid a hand on my kids. I don't understand people that beat something that you are supposed to protect. I can reduce my kids to tears by being stern and using the voice of authority. I've always allowed them the freedom to be what they want to be and make their own decisions; with a very clear set of rules. Obey the rules and keep your freedoms. Screw up and bye-bye freedom.