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Mr. Pedantic

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#81 11 years ago
Ah, but then if you have the knowledge of what will happen, far enough in advance, then the outcome can be changed.

True. But in your life, you can only go so far back. Before your birth, you won't be able to change anything, simply because you won't exist. And even if you do go back, armed with your prior knowledge, how are you going to tell your past self what to do?

Chess, is a strategic game (with restrictions) that isn't spontaneous, or anywhere near as spontaneous as being smashed in the face by someone on the street.

Life is also a strategic game with restrictions that isn't spontaneous.




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#82 11 years ago

Dexters perferated undies;4600865omFg, where do i start....

Well, you could start by remebering that not everything on these forums actually has any basis in reality.

Still have to TRAVEL time to do it. period. No matter how you look at this, it ends up back at timetravel if you want to try and consider things realisticly. Or is it all just a dream thread. For trippers ? For the last time, this is a fantasy thread, a "what if" thread, something that has no basis in reality in any way shape or form. The action of travelling through time doesn't necessarily have to involve altering the flow of time. By scientific measurement we have an estimation of the entire universe's mass/energy, there isnt enough energy to have more of the same universes, that pretty much ruled out alternate universes, that and space if flat not looped in that sence. Theres more details in the science of that, but like u lm to lazy.....google it. No thanks, I'm the kind of person that believes that if science hasn't proven something impossible, then it can exist/happen.

That was an exsample of how stupid its getting , glad you half understood. But you didnt do the odds did you, can you ? Odds on 2 identical universes, then the odds on trillions of universes ? The odds of life just evolving like on earth ? On multiple universes, the odds please ?

You work them out. You're the one who prides themself on being so much more intelligent than the rest of us. Taking a picture with any camera in the world, takes time, shutter time. So yes they would have to stop, freeze for a milli second or whatever for it to save, how long does it take to save a game ? No baring on the topic. How much o 1 info is saved in a game ?

No baring on the topic.

How much info has to be saved in a life save, l could argue it would take ALL of eternity to save a life file.

No baring on the topic.

Think about it. A photo when you take it, just to burn your exsample, you cannot go back and change, once its burnt onto the paper, whats in the picture is in the picture, and you can modify or jam it in a computor and clean the picture up, but you can NEVER make the photo a higher resolution as so to see more detail you missed in that fleeting glimps off time you captured in that photo.

You've missed the entire point of my otherwise cogent paradigm. A savegame is like a photograph. It is a singular moment of time that has been captured for future use. You can use special programs, but NONE, not even nasa, can go back in time to make the actual photo a better resolution and capture for exsample, the insect that flew past the lense at the moment of capture. Something you maynot see in the photo now. You can never go back and change a photo, if what you are talking about is the same, you have basicly only described the photo.Because it IS a window into the past already.And that past cannot change.

Of course the photo can't be changed from when it was taken. Neither can a savegame (unless you're cheating with some sort of savegame editor), as I've already said more than a few times, you cannot change anything before the savegame was made. Everything that took place before the point where the game was saved cannot be altered. That is so wrong a statement its not funny. The universe WOULD have to shrink for a reverseal of time to happen, to get back to the savepoint when you want to load, think about these things logicly for a minute, get out of tripper land, look up the big bang if you dont understand it.

Why are you actually taking this whole subject seriously, when you were the one ridiculing others who were supposedly taking it seriously? I'll say it again for you, and please read carefully. When a savegame is made, it is a specific point in that game. When a photo is taken, it is a picture of a specific moment in time. The universe would not have to shrink for the "save" to be made, only that it stops moving entirely. To pause time means to stop the expansion of the universe. To go back in time physicly means to shrink the universe. Physic's 101 tells you that after reading the big bang theory and the universe's expantion. Explain how it wouldnt and what effect in physic's it would have, you are about to re-create a quantum unifying law......l think not....... Fuck's sakes, stop throwing physics into a discussion that is based around an imaginary application of a game feature. It truly bares no impact on anything we've been talking about with the topic. How do you know the Physicists are right? You don't. They don't. you are asking questions aint you, its a discussion, it covers all areas of the topic, dont you like it when you cant think about it properly or when the questions get to complex ? You quoted me....... Please, do us all a favour and shut up. I'm having trouble believing half the shit you've been spouting about yourself, so don't try to insult me.

That was an assumption based on how power corrupts, io, and what happens when its someone like sadam insane that gets the power. You yanks are gonners ! Or a catholic, over a christian, hahaha time wars, redonkulas..... For someone who adheres to science in all things apparently, you lack a basic requirement for a scientist, even an amateur. Observation. I ain't no "yank". Wrong part of the world.

lm so glad you posted that, time is in your own words conected to the big bang and the EXPANSION of the universe. Remember the universe will shrink to travel back in time.

What I posted was to finish what you'd missed out. Will it shrink for time to move backwards?????

Based on evidence that IS true.

What evidence? Has someone moved time backwards? Oh wait..... it's a theory. So if we can effect time, ie, change how its measured,

Change how it's measured? I'm sure we already have, more than a few times. what is it really,

It's time.

it becomes a philisophical subject, not a science we can use to measure. You understand ? Not something connected to the big bang at all. You understand ? Oh, I understand very well. I also understand that you see yourself as superior, with no actual evidence to prove it. At least that's the attitude you seem to convey in your posts. Thats for fools, yes the tree exists, yes the sound was real. But if there's nothing to record the sound, or hear it, how do you know? Because science tells you so? How do scientists know? I'm jerking your chain with that, and boy did you fall for it. Does electricity exsist ? Did we discover it or invent it ? Does time exhist, yes. By all scientific measurements yes.

Time predates science.......

You angle of the tree in the woods is a retarded one, its not logical at all if you want to talk about the REAL effects of such things in physic's. Are you really here, do you exhist, did it take time to reply to this post ? All logical questions that take common sence to answer, if you cannot answer them, seriously you have way bigger problems comming to you in real life.

Dah, correct me if lm retarded,

You are, and I will.

but THAT IS time travel. You cannot go back in TIME to a savepoint if you are not travelling time at all.......dah common sence.... It is???? Wow, I never knew you were the expert on time travel. Done some temporal interfering yourself have you? Afterall, that's the only way for you to be an expert on the matter.:rolleyes: You still believe that for time travel to exist, then time must be made flow in the same direction as the object travelling. Since time travel is only theoretical, with nothing more than supposition based on what is already know, combined with more theory, then not even the most intelligent person in the world can say without a shadow of a doubt, that time travel has to involve changing the direction time is flowing in. If the direction of time is changed to flow backwards, then it is not time travelling. It's time sitting.:lol: To travel through time does not, I say again, does not necessarily mean reversing the flow of time. That's only one hypothesis. To travel through time implies that an object leaves its own time, and travels backward or forward to another point in time without affecting the flow of time. Yea but you dont really understand time based on your posts of it. So think about it for longer, and read about how time and the big bang and the expansion of the universe are all linked.ok.

I certainly will when your attitude improves, oh mighty and omnipotent one....:rolleyes: Oh wait.... your attitude won't improve![/quote]

[quote=Mr. Pedantic;4600949]True. But in your life, you can only go so far back. Before your birth, you won't be able to change anything, simply because you won't exist. And even if you do go back, armed with your prior knowledge, how are you going to tell your past self what to do?

Life is also a strategic game with restrictions that isn't spontaneous.

What you've said in your post doesn't relate to the subject. It wouldn't be possible to go back before being born.

In the confines of a "savegame" scenario, you'd basicly go back into your own body, with the knowledge of what is to come from where you reverted to the "save".

No spontanaity in life????? I hope you remember that when someone walks up to you and hits you for no reason. Or when you decide to take a detour for no reason when travelling to somewher you travel to on a regular basis.




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#83 11 years ago

What lve said doesnt relate ? Are you joking ? The topic IS time related. No in savegame it maynot be possible to save past your birth date, but neither is timetravel possible so dah...but if you forget that for a minute and consider it CAN be saved, then you must consider time travel possible for this particular hypothesis or idea, so, based on that you can conclude it would just be a matter of ''time'' [ lol bad pun] until some super uber noob hacks the save supercomputor and works out how to travel into the distant past. It is as sound and silly a hypothesis as this whole topic is. Ok so were back to the lack of understanding of what time itself is by alot of people here. There is only ONE understanding of time itself recognised by science. There is theories relating to time and the expansion of the universe, nothing else.All others are hypothesis's. Our current understanding and accepted scientific understanding of 'time' itself , is that it is infact linked to the big bang, and that 'time' travels in one direction only, forward, with the expansion of the universe, yes that technicly means that the universe has to shrink for time to reverse, for a savegame in life to work the entire universe and time have to reverse back to the savepoint, understand time better please. Time travel itself mate, is ALL hypothesis, not theory, a theory, relativaty tells us we can slow time and almost stop it for objects at c² , but, it also tells us its impossible to reach those velocities.Making time travel impossible. It opens the door to the ageing question with time dilation.But its based on evidence. Anyone can come up with a time hypothesis, but can any of them bring evidence that can be tested like relativaty can ? Our satelites back time dilation up 100%. l agree with you time predates science, alot of things do, you forget what science is, a search for the truth. Humans pre-date science, DO WE EXHIST ? Funny one. Anyways l have looked at this topic both ways, and sorry if lm science orientated, but your fantacy orientated most of you, so, dream on l guess.




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#84 11 years ago

Take it easy Dexter. Use [enter].




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#85 11 years ago
Dexters perferated undies;4601682What lve said doesnt relate ? Are you joking ? The topic IS time related. No in savegame it maynot be possible to save past your birth date, but neither is timetravel possible so dah...but if you forget that for a minute and consider it CAN be saved, then you must consider time travel possible for this particular hypothesis or idea, so, based on that you can conclude it would just be a matter of ''time'' [ lol bad pun] until some super uber noob hacks the save supercomputor and works out how to travel into the distant past. It is as sound and silly a hypothesis as this whole topic is. Ok so were back to the lack of understanding of what time itself is by alot of people here. There is only ONE understanding of time itself recognised by science. There is theories relating to time and the expansion of the universe, nothing else.All others are hypothesis's. Our current understanding and accepted scientific understanding of 'time' itself , is that it is infact linked to the big bang, and that 'time' travels in one direction only, forward, with the expansion of the universe, yes that technicly means that the universe has to shrink for time to reverse, for a savegame in life to work the entire universe and time have to reverse back to the savepoint, understand time better please. Time travel itself mate, is ALL hypothesis, not theory, a theory, relativaty tells us we can slow time and almost stop it for objects at c² , but, it also tells us its impossible to reach those velocities.Making time travel impossible. It opens the door to the ageing question with time dilation.But its based on evidence. Anyone can come up with a time hypothesis, but can any of them bring evidence that can be tested like relativaty can ? Our satelites back time dilation up 100%. l agree with you time predates science, alot of things do, you forget what science is, a search for the truth. Humans pre-date science, DO WE EXHIST ? Funny one. Anyways l have looked at this topic both ways, and sorry if lm science orientated, but your fantacy orientated most of you, so, dream on l guess.

Dexter, again your capacity for observation fails you. I'd thought you could obsviously notice the differences in the quote.

What I posted below Pedantic's post, was only directed at his post, not yours.

Your supposed greater intelligence and knowledge is marred by your lacking observation and understanding. Science is not the search for truth. Science is the method by which truth may be found.




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#86 11 years ago
I hope you remember that when someone walks up to you and hits you for no reason.

To my knowledge, nobody has ever done that. It's called assault.

But seriously. There is no such thing as spontaneity. The world is governed by the laws of physics. Your mind is governed by the laws of physics. Therefore, implicitly, no matter how random you think it is, your actions are, too, governed by the laws of physics.

Or when you decide to take a detour for no reason when travelling to somewher you travel to on a regular basis.

Your decisions are the result of a very complex series of physical and chemical reactions within your cells. Again, since they are governed by the laws of physics, your final action too, is predictable. It seems random and 'spontaneous' simply because we don't know all the variables required to work out what it is you are going to do.

In the confines of a "savegame" scenario, you'd basicly go back into your own body, with the knowledge of what is to come from where you reverted to the "save".

Ugh. Then no thanks.




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#87 11 years ago

baaaahahahahahaha science is not a search for the truth, hahahahaahahah, you total joker, science is a tool we use to test, THE TRUTH .To be sure it IS the TRUTH. So when we use our scientific discoveries we actually understand what were dealing with, erm like, electricity...... hahahahahahaha you say l have no understanding, you joker, that post is double talk..... Observation is what science is all about, so what are you on about ? Science a search for the TRUTH in ANY subject or topic, ANY. THE TRUTH . Including this topic, science can be applied, just get over it. Oh and l note you never had an answer for any of the last post.Short of insult.Hope you see that side of yourself before you bad rep me for it........pppfffttt




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#88 11 years ago
baaaahahahahahaha

Hehe, i laughed with that, really. :D

science is a tool

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bad rep me

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#89 11 years ago

the ol cut n paste out of context....^ typical.....same ol same ol..... LOL l Used Enter ! hahahaha