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Aeroflot

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#1 12 years ago

I went to the college library today to study my botany and forestry books, and to finish up a lab report on a forestry lab two weeks ago. In the midst of my studies I got up and walked over to the philosophy section of the library, which was only a couple steps away from the table I was sitting at. Besides the Idiots Guide to Philosophy I received in the mail the other day, I have been reading up a lot on philosophy lately. I picked up a book on Nietzsche and read a chapter. Somewhere in that chapter I read something along the lines of: the world is screwed up, there needs to be reforms, and the world has been living under fundamentally mistaken ideas for two thousand years, or so. That is something I believe in.

I don't remember how, or for what reason, but stumbled onto the subject of education. I think the idea of education being messed up has been in my head for a while. The quote by Mark Twain, "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education," and another quote by another person for which I can't seem to remember exactly, has put ideas into my head that our education is not only bad, but totally screwed up.

I thought it be fun to quickly go over the faults in education. For me there are two main types of education: schooling and books, and first-hand. Schooling and books: any education through a secondary source, such as a teacher or from a book.

Teachers and book authors are biased and may unintentionally throw their own view in, thus making education through these sources unfavorable for useage. That second quote, the one which I couldn't remember exactly, went along the lines of, 'schooling makes us ignorant,' and so I feel education through schooling is, ironically, making us stupider.

First-Hand: any knowledge gained through experience.

I can't say first-hand learning is without its own faults. For instance, a kid watching a magic show may perceive the magic to be real, unknowning that it is all illusion. But, that mistake can be easily corrected by simply showing the boy the magical illusions step-by-step. Thus, I believe first-hand learning is greater than education through schooling. But, that is irrevelent.

In summary, what I am trying to say (and I know this all seems confusing, but bare with me) is that schooling and books leads to ignorance. I defined (my) two main types of education in order to make more sense out of the situation which is this thread. My purpose is not to argue about the types of education, but to lead you all into the main point of this thread:

Is our current education system screwed up?

My idea is that only extremely basic school subjects should be taught in precollege schools. When I talk about basic school subjects, I mean things like English, Math, and Science. Teaching Psychology, AP Physics (advanced physics), and such should be kept out of highschool and left for college. I will further clear this up as I go along.

Originally I planned out six subjects to be covered in gradeschool, these were:

  • Reading and Writing
  • Basic-intermediate mathematics
  • A mixture of basic physics, chemistry, and biology (similar to IPC.)
  • Speech
  • Health Science
  • Computer Science

After some thought, I decided that some of these subjects could be further combined (and maybe one more added.) So, I came up with a new list:

  • Reading, Writing, and Speech.
  • Basic-Intermediate Mathematics
  • P-C-B (Integrated Physics, Chemistry, Computer Science, and Biology.)
  • Health Science

Here are the descriptions of the courses:

R-W-S (Reading-Writing-Speech) - Communication is the most important subject. Without it, we would be nowhere - back in the caves. Why not combine the normal English class into a class where not only do you have to learn to read and write, but speak too! Basic-Intermediate Mathematics - Do most people remember all the graphs, synthetic division, calculus, and such many years after highschool? No, they don't. They might remember it, but not remember how to actually do it. What people remember are the simple things like adding, multiplaying, dividing, subtracting, square-rooting, fractions, and other basics. Concepts like sythetic division and calculus aren't even used by the normal person in a normal setting. Don't you agree? P-C-B (Integrated Physics, Chemistry, Computer Science, and Biology) - I why dive deep into these subjects when many people will end up being a mechanic, or Wal-Mart employee? Leave these things for college. Of course physics and computer science are probably very useful, that is why most of the work is done on computers (so kids learn to use computers if for some god-aweful reason they don't know how) and a great emphasis is put into learning physics.

Health Science - Self-explanitory.

I was also pondering the possibility of adding Philosophy. Not an actual philosophy class as you might think, but more of a class on learning to particpate more, argue more effectively, and think more for yourself (instead of assuming what everyone else says in true and going along with that for the rest of your life.) One point I am trying to make is that we minimize the chances of kids taking in what the teachers are saying and not thinking for themselves. This whole education reform is about lowering the amount of biased teaching that these kids receive. One of the greatest benefits for reducing the amount of classes is that more time can be spent during the year on a certain subject. Why waste time with electives like Psychology, which kids just take to fill up space? The highschool level class on Psychology isn't actually going to make you the next Freud... if you even want to be that wacko, but you get the idea.

I'm probably going to have to clear some of this up, because I don't think I got my whole point across. :lookaround: I probably forgot some stuff that I wanted to say, too.




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#2 12 years ago

i think what we need is much more hands/real world learning for classrooms, like going out and doing what it is you teach, and we need alot more first hand expireance, because first hand learning is remembered forever, not just until the class is over the grading system is screwed up, putting kids that learn slower in rooms with kids who need to move faster, we also need more teachers, and smaller classrooms for better induvidual learning

i wish kids would know something besides the crap they teach at school, c'mon, go out and get some real world knowledge, all kids these days have is book smarts, they may make a A+ in Biology but that doesnt mean they arent stupid

thats my opinion on it




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#3 12 years ago

Currently, the public education system has pretty much nothing to do with the real world. I've learned more because of the internet than I have because of classroom, and that is pretty fucking sad. Zero specialization, depreciating standards, and ho-hum grades. Surprise. Public school should not be mandatory at all because it's merely a waste. Morons ruining the classroom environment, etc. College, however, is awesome.




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#4 12 years ago

HairySheepi think what we need is much more hands/real world learning for classrooms, like going out and doing what it is you teach, and we need alot more first hand expireance, because first hand learning is remembered forever, not just until the class is over the grading system is screwed up, putting kids that learn slower in rooms with kids who need to move faster, we also need more teachers, and smaller classrooms for better induvidual learning

i wish kids would know something besides the crap they teach at school, c'mon, go out and get some real world knowledge, all kids these days have is book smarts, they may make a A+ in Biology but that doesnt mean they arent stupid

thats my opinion on it

I read an article over a teacher using the Socratic method (only asking questions to the students) in a third grade class, and ended up teaching all the kids to read binary... or something like that. For instance 10 = two. The teacher didn't even tell the kids how to do it, he just asked questions the entire time and the kids used their own brains to figure it out.




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#5 12 years ago

State standards dictate how something is taught, usually.




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#6 12 years ago
WiseBoboState standards dictate how something is taught, usually.

It was for an experiment, I should have said that before.




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#7 12 years ago
AeroflotteI read an article over a teacher using the Socratic method (only asking questions to the students) in a third grade class, and ended up teaching all the kids to read binary... or something like that. For instance 10 = two. The teacher didn't even tell the kids how to do it, he just asked questions the entire time and the kids used their own brains to figure it out.

I believe you mean 01 on that pal ;). ( 1 2 4 8 16 32 etc.). As I have read before: Homeworks kill curiosity.




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#8 12 years ago
NostradamouseI believe you mean 01 on that pal ;). ( 1 2 4 8 16 32 etc.). As I have read before: Homeworks kill curiosity.

No, it was 10.

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#9 12 years ago

Yea... now I feel dumb, it's actually from right to left... lowest number beeing rightmost and left beeing bigger...




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#10 12 years ago

well you lost me there...

but i also think that in highschool, kids should take classes that go more with what they want to do in life, not info that will never even pop up in my mind after the class ends

i 100% agree with the statment " homwork kills curiosity", the number one reason kids get low grades in classes is they loose intrest doing the hw, so they end up just not doing it, they might have A+ test scores but they dont do the hw so they fail while the kid who doesnt know what the hell hes doing passes