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SeinfeldisKindaOk

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#1 9 years ago

School uniforms lead to better grades in most school subject because most school subjects reward rote learning and conformation. That is, confirmation of the ideas espoused by teacher, regardless of whether those ideas are objectively true or not, which of course can lead to abuse and propaganda in the classroom. However, in most cases this is not the aim of teachers whom are, on a whole, honest and sincere in their desire to teach. The benefits of uniforms are most notable in science and mathematics, which are less subject to ideological influence because they are based on observable facts and phenomena (and in the case of math, laws). It is also true in the case of grammar which also has its own rules, however arbitrary those may be. The need to meet requirements of dress in schools with uniforms puts students in the right mindset to learn these subjects well, which will benefit them greatly in the future. It is only after learning the fundamentals in a thorough manner that students should began to think about stepping beyond them in a constructively creative manner. To paraphrase a saying: one must learn the rules before he or she can begin to break them.

The value of individualism by opponents of school uniforms is over exaggerated. Students have plenty of time to wear what they please in their own time. An idea that is common in cultures with an over emphasis on individualism is that there is no wrong way to do something, that truth is a subjective thing and therefore there are really no right or wrong answers. That idea is demonstrably false. In fact, in most cases there is a right way to do something and a (or many) wrong way(s). Students need to learn to do things the right way. To suggest otherwise is to fall victim to mushy headed thinking and the emotional weakness of wanting to prevent people whom are doing things incorrectly from getting their feelings hurt. To shelter such people now from the truth that they aren't doing things correctly is to set them up for a much more painful readjustment when they reach adulthood and face the reality of their miseducation. Uniforms also are beneficial in that sense because it prepares students for the professional work environment they will operate in as adults, where there will also be a dress code and the emphasis will be on teamwork and collaboration rather than isolated and selfish individuals doing as they please.

In summary, uniforms are good because they help students adopt and adapt to a learning environment that will provide them with a solid bedrock of abilities that will act as the foundation upon which they will build successful adult lives.




Biiviz

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#2 9 years ago

There are other benefits as well.

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#3 9 years ago

Biiviz;4812253There are other benefits as well.

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That was exactly the thing i was going to point out ! lovin' them uniforms




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#4 9 years ago

Uniforms in schools are essentially compulsory in the UK, up until you get the opportunity to first leave school. And even then in the next stage of education (college/sixth form), a lot of school demand that students wear business dress, suits, or whatever (I actually don't have to do this in my sixth form, but from talking to people from other colleges this is really the exception rather than the rule).

As a result, we don't really do the whole "subculture" thing. I mean, sure, there are sporty people, geeky people, a few "emos". But they don't stand out nearly as much, and wouldn't really class themselves as belonging to a subculture. And that means that people don't get picked on for what they wear.

Furthermore, differences in household income are far less noticable. I know people who live in huge houses in the surrounding villages, and people who live in council houses. They used to wear the same thing, and it put them on far more of an equal footing. As far as I am concerned, this is a good thing.




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#5 9 years ago

I can see a number of benefits to uniforms. Most notably eroding the noticeable difference in household income and a few others. That said, I'd personally do my best not to wear one. Not because I'd like to stand out, not because I have something against uniforms, but due to the sole reason that I don't like the design of most of them. If there have to be uniforms, let them be truly uniform. And best of all, let there be no uniforms at all.

Since the difference that uniforms attempt to erode won't stay hidden for very long among students. Maybe for a day or two longer. And forcing people to wear what they don't want seems more against good studying than anything else.

Sure I agree that people ought to wear business dress and similar to oral examinations on colleges and unis, but beyond that? Let those who wish to wear what they choose, wear what they choose to wear.




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#6 9 years ago

Lord Foppington;4812113School uniforms lead to better grades in most school subject[s] [/QUOTE]

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Lord Foppington;4812113because most school subjects reward rote learning and conformation. That is, confirmation of the ideas espoused by teacher, regardless of whether those ideas are objectively true or not, which of course can lead to abuse and propaganda in the classroom. However, in most cases this is not the aim of teachers whom are, on a whole, honest and sincere in their desire to teach. The benefits of uniforms are most notable in science and mathematics, which are less subject to ideological influence because they are based on observable facts and phenomena (and in the case of math, laws). It is also true in the case of grammar which also has its own rules, however arbitrary those may be. The need to meet requirements of dress in schools with uniforms puts students in the right mindset to learn these subjects well, which will benefit them greatly in the future. [/QUOTE]

Science, mathematics, to an extent grammar. I spent about a week on the lot of them and I'm doing fine. They don't benefit you greatly in the future outside of the school and what little of them you'll need you can acquire almost instantaneously as an adult simply by cracking open the relevant book.

When you get to university the emphasis is far more on individual learning and ideas anyway; people who repeat the teacher are deliberately graded down to the lowest pass mark; if your method of learning was simply conforming to what teacher said you’d be crippled.

Lord Foppington;4812113It is only after learning the fundamentals in a thorough manner that students should began to think about stepping beyond them in a constructively creative manner. To paraphrase a saying: one must learn the rules before he or she can begin to break them.

One doesn't need a thorough knowledge of the fundamentals; one only needs to know where they can find the fundamentals if they ever wish to employ them. I don’t know the equations to calculate the effect of speed on the experience of time but I know where I can find it if I ever need it.

[QUOTE=Lord Foppington;4812113]The value of individualism by opponents of school uniforms is over exaggerated. Students have plenty of time to wear what they please in their own time. An idea that is common in cultures with an over emphasis on individualism is that there is no wrong way to do something, that truth is a subjective thing and therefore there are really no right or wrong answers. That idea is demonstrably false. In fact, in most cases there is a right way to do something and a (or many) wrong way(s). Students need to learn to do things the right way. To suggest otherwise is to fall victim to mushy headed thinking and the emotional weakness of wanting to prevent people whom are doing things incorrectly from getting their feelings hurt. To shelter such people now from the truth that they aren't doing things correctly is to set them up for a much more painful readjustment when they reach adulthood and face the reality of their miseducation. Uniforms also are beneficial in that sense because it prepares students for the professional work environment they will operate in as adults, where there will also be a dress code and the emphasis will be on teamwork and collaboration rather than isolated and selfish individuals doing as they please.

The value of individualism is not that all answers are right but that it’s possible for the majority to be wrong; and on that basis we should respect truth as an ideal rather than consensus as an axiom. I’ve yet to come across a culture where 1+1=50 is considered the right answer but I’ve come across many cultures where the important thing is not whether your answer matches the one on the board but whether you can justify it.

All great discoveries start with one person going, ‘Hang on a minute....’ Suggesting that we have the right way and that any contravening answer is wrong by default is just drawing a line around human knowledge.

On a practical level: While there may be only one truly right answer to a problem on a philosophical basis, outside of very rule based subjects; maths, some of the more limited applications of the sciences, grammar; (which most people are not going to end up using in any great measure in their jobs,) most of the time you don’t know what that answer is - and furthermore it’s not even possible to know what it is. There are many answers that are adequate however, and these are what you’re going to be working with most of your adult life, not perfect answers, not even in response to questions where it’s necessarily possible to know the perfect answer; adequate answers.

It’s important to have lots of different points of view, and people that can argue for them – even when those points of view are wrong - because human thinking is very limited and even a wrong answer can contain some elements that improve the eventual answer that is selected. Like an evolutionary computer algorithm, you refine and refine and refine, until you get to something good enough, not necessarily something right but something that works.

[QUOTE=Lord Foppington;4812113]In summary, uniforms are good because they help students adopt and adapt to a learning environment that will provide them with a solid bedrock of abilities that will act as the foundation upon which they will build successful adult lives.

The majority of your school learning has very little practical application in the workplace and people who learn to play by the rules get screwed over so hard you wouldn’t believe.




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#7 9 years ago

Uniform was cool when I was at school.




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#8 9 years ago

School uniforms suck ass.

After school you have to wear a uniform to work every day. Let people have a little individuality during their socializing years when their biggest problem is a project for biology. They will wear uniforms for the rest of their lives.

My school tried to implement uniforms, and it was defeated by a mix of parents saying hell no and students (like myself) refusing. It was a good lesson in civil disobedience.

Uniforms pacify crowds and demote individualism. I want to see proof they "raise grades".

I miss high school, when I could wear whatever and i was wearing that for the day. Now, its cammies for work and if I want to go to the mall I get to wear normal clothes for like an hour.

NemmerleThe majority of your school learning has very little practical application in the workplace

Yep. I dont use geometry to drive an AAV. Anything you need to know for a job you usually get trained in. High school produces a basically trained person in very simple skills over a broad spectrum. You go to the job, and you get specialized training for that job. Even for fast food. You get training to use the fryers or how to make the burgers and such.




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#9 9 years ago

Lord Foppington;4812113School uniforms lead to better grades in most school subject

I think everyone is waiting for proof of this.

I'm against this...all it does is make everyone a bunch of zombies. If it's so good why don't the teachers wear the SAME uniform also? It's already hard enough to get kids to go to school, now let's strip them of who they are, make them a bunch of droids.

Heck, if we do it... why stop here just make everyone in the WORLD wear the same thing...think the same thing, believe the same thing.




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#10 9 years ago

Warborg;4812845

Heck, if we do it... why stop here just make everyone in the WORLD wear the same thing...think the same thing, believe the same thing.

Hell yea! I love communism!