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Rich19

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#291 12 years ago

jeff & eddie;3643497Your circular reasoning doesnt apply to the discussion at hand. You are under the assumption that there are no gun laws whatsoever, this is not the case. There are over 20,000 on the books. Firearms are heavily regulated.[/quote]

Erm, not sure how you got that from the text quoted... I know you have some regulations on guns.

jeff & eddie;3643497 Again, your backward reasoning isn't going anywhere. You're comparing an object to an act. Try again.[/quote]

Actually I'm comparing the act of legally buying a gun, and the act of using it.

[quote=jeff & eddie;3643497] Your own words suggest you have no idea what you're talking about. Buying a gun from a dealer is like buying a car. You have a LOT of paperwork that goes into it, a background check is conducted, and depending where you live, be prepared to wait a 3-5 day "cool-off" period. The gun dealers in this case did nothing wrong.

Again, I know you have regulations. But remember that the gunman used legally bought weapons. Do you think someone with the background he had should be allowed to buy guns? I'm not necessarily saying the gun shop owner did anything wrong himself, rather that more background checks would be nice.

[quote=jeff & eddie;3643497] You might as well look at a situation in which some nut drives his GM pickup truck through a group of people and kills 10. And then say "clearly the salemen who sold him the truck didn't care if he kills people".

Not if there are regulations in place which forbid the selling of cars to people who are likely to drive trucks over crowds of people.




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#292 12 years ago

BladeV2;3643634Reload? You're going to have to explain what you're talking about. Do you mean they'll make their own bullets or something? If that option is open now, there's still no disadvantage to taking action. [/quote]

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Please do some research before continuing a disucussion of which you don't know anything about the topic at hand.

Teqila;3643950Most of you support gun control in a country you don't live in and you don't know anything about what you want banned.

Kind of like the person in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryCe4yoRVaA

Nice video. This is the reality of the "gun control" lobby.

A) They don't know anything about firearms. B) They don't know anything about crime/criminal justice Law C) They don't know anything about firearm-violence.

They live in a fantasy world, a world in which you put your life into the hands of a criminal. You pretend the criminal is going to follow laws. A world in which, all law abiding citizens are disarmed, and criminals have a monopoly on firearms. That to them, that is a "safe" world.

The VA tech students thought they were safe. Until a criminal, broke gun control policy, by bringing two firearms on campus, and murdering students and faculty who were disarmed by law.

Simply asserting "We're safe because we say so", doesn't make it so. Gun Control is only effective at creating victims.

[quote=Rich19;3644055]Again, I know you have regulations. But remember that the gunman used legally bought weapons. Do you think someone with the background he had should be allowed to buy guns? I'm not necessarily saying the gun shop owner did anything wrong himself, rather that more background checks would be nice.

No, he should not have been able to purchase a firearm. A change of policy is needed, that change being--if you want to buy a firearm, your mental health history should be examined. If this means breaching patient/doctor confidentality, then so be it. When you buy a firearm, you are agreeing that you are not a criminal, nor do you have any mental problems. A background check is done to make sure you don't have a crminal record, but a mental health check is not done. This should be changed.

Not if there are regulations in place which forbid the selling of cars to people who are likely to drive trucks over crowds of people.

Yet people with criminal records are allowed to drive. Should a felon be able to drive an automobile?




Medhiv

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#293 12 years ago

jeff & eddie;3643497Your circular reasoning doesnt apply to the discussion at hand. You are under the assumption that there are no gun laws whatsoever, this is not the case. There are over 20,000 on the books. Firearms are heavily regulated.

Your own words suggest you have no idea what you're talking about. You might as well look at a situation in which some nut drives his GM pickup truck through a group of people and kills 10. And then say clearly the salemen who sold him the truck didn't care if he kills people.

Nonsense. The purpose of the item has no basis of whether or not it should be legal.

well ... and apperently you have no idea whatsoever what you're talking about either ... no matter how tight you may believe firearm-restriction is in the US, in the list of all industrial countries it is by far the last (which is in other words too poor) - and what about the smart-ass talk about an objects purpose - if you fail to realize that a guns sole purpose is to kill, you may want to wait a few years till you're grown up, perhaps then you will understand a few things better and about the purpose+usage ob "tools" - of course you can kill a man even with a frying-pan, but that's not its purpose, a guns on the other hand is :deal:




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#294 12 years ago

Medhiv;3645243well ... and apperently you have no idea whatsoever what you're talking about either ... no matter how tight you may believe firearm-restriction is in the US[/quote]

The laws and regulations of firearms in the united states are fact. They are not my opinion, or what I believe. This is the difference between you and I. I am citing numbers and raw data, you are letting your victimization mentality run wild.

Medhiv;3645243, in the list of all industrial countries it is by far the last (which is in other words too poor) -

Correct. And just going by numbers alone, either everyone elses crime and firearm death rates are on par or higher than the US. Factoring in our 200+ million guns in the population, this means we're doing something right and everyone else is doing something wrong. That wrong thing, is a complete ban on firearms. The numbers don't lie my friend, but anti-gun nuts do.

You are a potential victim, nothing more--nothing less.

[quote=Medhiv;3645243]and what about the smart-ass talk about an objects purpose - if you fail to realize that a guns sole purpose is to kill,

This has already been addressed. Im thoroughly sorry if some members are incapable of taking part in intelligent debate due to severely degraded congnitive abilities.

In other words, ill make this much easier for you to understand. What you believe is irrelevant. This isn't church, where you can sit back and let your wild beliefs trump all the empiracle evidence and raw data accumulated through years by professionals and research.




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#295 12 years ago
jeff & eddie;3644060... Nice video. This is the reality of the "gun control" lobby. A) They don't know anything about firearms. B) They don't know anything about crime/criminal justice Law C) They don't know anything about firearm-violence. They live in a fantasy world, a world in which you put your life into the hands of a criminal. You pretend the criminal is going to follow laws. A world in which, all law abiding citizens are disarmed, and criminals have a monopoly on firearms. That to them, that is a "safe" world.

Oh God you're soooooo stupid! I know criminals don't follow laws that's why I call them criminals in the first place. Get a grip man, you really need to get rid of your stupid Bible and the security of the fact that we're all going to Hell and you're not and start realising that human beings aren't pleasant and wonderful creatures. You think I live I, we, live in a fantasy world?! You're the one who wants young people who are being educated to be armed! You want to people educating the educated to be armed as well! Also, I frown upon anyone who agrees with this nonsensical, unbalanced poo poo head.




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#296 12 years ago

This is not a gun law thread, and has strayed off topic. The original topic has lived its course. :lock:

Also, a warning to all of you. [COLOR=Red]STOP[/COLOR] with the personal insults or enjoy some vacation time from the forums.


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