Should duels be legal? 36 replies

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#1 10 years ago

Simple enough. What happens between two consenting people is, by and large, of no interest or business of the state. It extends to sex and conversation, at least to a certain extent. If two people want to get together and slaughter each other with swords in their garden what business is it of the state; or to get together in a shooting house and blow each others brains out, again, what business of the state? At the moment it's obviously out of the question since it is in violation of the law and as such a threat to social order but heck, why not make it legal?




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#2 10 years ago

What goes on between two consenting (sane) individuals is not of state interest. Whether one whips the other, they duel or whatever. :D




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#3 10 years ago

Yes, but who will be the first person they run too if the victor gets wounded in the process? Also, how could you prove that the other person was consenting? What would happen to the body of the loser? I don't think that it should be legal, differences should be settled with the word, not the weapon. EDIT: Pah, Crazy Wolf got to it mere secconds before I!




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#4 10 years ago

I would be for legalizing it if duelists were not allowed to use public property or public resources to deal with the consequences of the duel (no ambulance rides, no emergency services that could be offered to more civilized people being used). Since the "besmirched honor" aspect is more-or-less removed in our current society, I doubt anyone would be forced to accept a duel they really don't want to.




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#5 10 years ago

So you want to make murder legal?


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#6 10 years ago

Should they be? No. I do like the idea of being able to legally shoot somebody that seriously pisses me off though.

The press is annoying you? Fine. Sir, you have tarnished my honor. I demand satisfaction! :naughty:

Then again, I do airsofting with a pistol as my backup weapon so I know I can acquire and eliminate a target quickly with a sidearm. Nobody else would know which end of the weapon to point at me so I suppose I might not be to worried about getting shot as much as other people.

Ahem. But no, you shouldn't be able to kill to settle arguments.




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#7 10 years ago

Inserting loopholes into the murder laws is definitely not a good idea IMO. A number of situations I can think of:

Person denies murder, saying it was a duel. The victim is too dead to argue.

Person wins duel through outside help (eg hidden accomplice with rifle).

Innocent person caught in crossfire.

Basically, there is never going to be a distinction between murder and duel good enough to not let any lawbreakers off without charge.




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#8 10 years ago

There are things such as notarized contracts, you know.




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#9 10 years ago
Crazy Wolf;4180991There are things such as notarized contracts, you know.

There are such things are forgeries, you know.

Imagine how easy it would be to escape punishment if all that was required is a document with a signature.




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#10 10 years ago

Dave-Mastor;4180684Also, how could you prove that the other person was consenting? [/QUOTE]

You'd set asides an area for the purpose and entrance of your own will would be considered consent much as is done IIRC in countries that already allow the practice.

Crazy Wolf;4180683I would be for legalizing it if duelists were not allowed to use public property or public resources to deal with the consequences of the duel (no ambulance rides, no emergency services that could be offered to more civilized people being used). Since the "besmirched honor" aspect is more-or-less removed in our current society, I doubt anyone would be forced to accept a duel they really don't want to.[/QUOTE]

Everyone's already paid for them. Denying someone access to what they've already paid for is one of those theft things.

Dave-Mastor;4180684Yes, but who will be the first person they run too if the victor gets wounded in the process?

The health services they've paid for in one form or another. I imagine interesting things would happen with health insurance.

[QUOTE=Dave-Mastor;4180684]What would happen to the body of the loser?

Released to the family I'd imagine.

[QUOTE=Dave-Mastor;4180684]I don't think that it should be legal, differences should be settled with the word, not the weapon.

Some differences are by their very nature irrational and cannot be settled with words.