Should Gonzales step down as US Atorney General? 22 replies

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#1 11 years ago

I mean WTF?

He has gone on a GOP witch hunt to purge the Justice Department and Federal Legal system of non Republican supporters, LIED to Congress, and admits the "firings" were mishandled...but hey thats no reason why he should lose his job right? BULLSHIT!

This SOB needs to be investigated, the more info that comes to light the more corrupt and more convinced I am that Bush needs to be impeached and be investigated for improper conduct.

Never in my life, and Im 45 yrs old have I seen as much bullshit shoveled out by a presidental Administration and it be explained away. Nixon comes close.

I feel there will be a number of Republicans who will brush this off as usual.

Gonzales acknowledged his department mishandled the dismissals of eight U.S. attorneys and misled Congress about how they were fired. He said he was ultimately to blame for those "mistakes" but stood by the firings.

"I acknowledge that mistakes were made here," Gonzales told reporters at a news briefing after he canceled an out-of-town trip. "I accept that responsibility." He promised changes "so that the mistakes that occurred in this instance do not occur again in the future."

He focused on his department's dealings with Congress concerning the firings rather than the actual dismissals — which Democrats have suggested were politically motivated — and the planning behind them.

"I believe very strongly in our obligation to ensure that when I provide information to the Congress that it's accurate and that it's complete. And I am very dismayed that that may not have occurred here," he said.




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#2 11 years ago

I just posted this less than 2 min ago and it told me poll had to be added within 25 min. Tried to edit post and it said no edits after 30 min.

Somethings messed up.




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#3 11 years ago

Every time a new president comes to office all the federal judges under his jurisdiction are changed out. Its been that way ever since Andrew Jackson started the spoil system. The only thing different here is they did it in the middle of the term which makes everyone bitch about how its not right that the president wants to have more control over the judicial branch.

Please...

This is legislative branch pitching a bitch over the executive branch exercising more control over the judicial branch then the legislative branch feels comfortable with. AKA checks and balances. It also looks good for Hilary to stir shit about the current unpopular administration. AKA bullshit preelection politics.




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#4 11 years ago

Every time a new president comes to office all the federal judges under his jurisdiction are changed out. Its been that way ever since Andrew Jackson started the spoil system. The only thing different here is they did it in the middle of the term which makes everyone bitch about how its not right that the president wants to have more control over the judicial branch.

Please...

This is legislative branch pitching a bitch over the executive branch exercising more control over the judicial branch then the legislative branch feels comfortable with. AKA checks and balances. It also looks good for Hilary to stir shit about the current unpopular administration. AKA bullshit preelection politics.




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#5 11 years ago

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#6 11 years ago

Anlushac11;3582840I just posted this less than 2 min ago and it told me poll had to be added within 25 min. Tried to edit post and it said no edits after 30 min.

Somethings messed up.

Probably a messed up time-stamp, just PM me the poll-options and I will include them.




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#7 11 years ago
Reno;3582854Every time a new president comes to office all the federal judges under his jurisdiction are changed out. Its been that way ever since Andrew Jackson started the spoil system. The only thing different here is they did it in the middle of the term which makes everyone bitch about how its not right that the president wants to have more control over the judicial branch.

As early as February 2005 White House counsel Harriet E. Miers to George W. Bush suggested to Kyle Sampson, Alberto Gonzales's chief of staff, that all 93 US attorneys should be dismissed and replaced.

They are appointed for a four year term and had to be approved by the Senate but The GOP has changed the law with the Patriot Act addition and Congressional approval is no longer needed...

...The previous statute authorized the attorney general to make interim appointments for 120 days, and if no nomination of a full-time replacement was made by then, a district court judge would make another interim appointment. Both the 120-day limit and the control by judges has been stricken.

Please...

This is legislative branch pitching a bitch over the executive branch exercising more control over the judicial branch then the legislative branch feels comfortable with. AKA checks and balances. It also looks good for Hilary to stir shit about the current unpopular administration. AKA bullshit preelection politics.

Bullshit. This is Bush trying to expand a powerbase on a level never seen before.

In December 2006, the Bush Administration notified seven United States Attorneys that they were to resign for "job performance reasons", and nominated seven replacements. The seven were "notified by phone on December 7 that they were being fired without explanation. In addition, a prosecutor in Little Rock was removed in December to make room for a former aide to presidential adviser Karl Rove."[13]

Continued press coverage ultimately led to Congressional involvement. Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty was called onto the hill. He underscored that the seven were fired for job performance issues, and not political considerations.

The next day, McNulty admitted that at least six of the seven had recently received outstanding job performance ratings, and that the United States Attorney in Arkansas (Cummins) was removed for no reason except to install a former aide to Karl Rove: 37-year-old Timothy Griffin, a former Republican National Committee opposition research director.[14] Cummins, apparently, "was ousted after Harriet E. Miers, the former White House counsel, intervened on behalf of Griffin."[15] Less than two weeks after McNulty's admission, Griffin announced that he would not seek the nomination to be chief federal prosecutor in Little Rock.[16]

The nine recent appointees identified [as replacements] held high-level White House or Justice Department jobs, and most of them were handpicked by Gonzales…Being named a U.S. attorney 'has become a prize for doing the bidding of the White House or administration,' said Laurie Levenson, a former federal prosecutor who's now a professor at the Loyola Law School in Los Angeles."[18] Salon reported: "at least three of the eight fired attorneys were told by a superior they were being forced to resign to make jobs available for other Bush appointees, according to a former senior Justice Department official knowledgeable about their cases."[19]

Tell me again how it wasnt politically motivated?

The only bullshit being stirred here is from people who are defending the Republicans and cant even be bothered with such inconveniences as the facts.




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#8 11 years ago

Bill Clinton fired ALL 93 Attorney Generals at the start of his first term so don't give me this "Bush is doing something illegal" bullshit. Clinton was the only one to fire all 93 at once (he did it for purely political reasons, they were going to investigate a friend of his in Chicago, and the Little Rock DA was looking into Whitewater scandels of his). He fired all of them so it didn't look like he was just getting rid of those two.

Most presidents fire and replace the DA's gradually over the course of their term.

The ONLY reason that Bush and Gonzales is catching heat over this is because the Democrats want to turn this into something its not.

Gonzales doesn't need to step down because nothing wrong was done.

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#9 11 years ago
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.;3583195Bill Clinton fired ALL 93 Attorney Generals at the start of his first term so don't give me this "Bush is doing something illegal" bullshit.

Just because Clinton f'ed up too doesn't make it right when Bush does it.

Most presidents fire and replace the DA's gradually over the course of their term.

I would like more detail into the standard procedures...

The ONLY reason that Bush and Gonzales is catching heat over this is because the Democrats want to turn this into something its not.

...just like Clinton and his private affair turned public? ;)




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#10 11 years ago

Jeffro;3583264Just because Clinton f'ed up too doesn't make it right when Bush does it.

I would like more detail into the standard procedures...

There is nothing f'd up about it. It is completely within the power of the president to do so.

There really arn't "standard" procedures. You can fire them all at once, fire them a few at a time, here, there, etc... You dont have to fire them at all if you dont want to.


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