I voted No. Schools are not 'conformity factories' where children go to get rid of their ethnic and religious roots. *Teacher presses button for Independent Thought Alarm*
RevenI think that should be so. Headscarves and other religious symbols only segrigate the wearers from the school, showing everyone else that they're a different religion/religious. The French government's reasoning when they banned them was that exact reason. I think it should be banned, as it will reduce racism and biggotry through equality.
Good point. *Writes down*. Actaully I'm still against it. And I still didn't heard any good arguments (except for this1 from Donovan). Come on guys, convince me!
17th June 2002
I can understand the argument against banning them. It prevents Muslim children from expressing their beliefs and could dilute their culture, one generation at a time. However, a lot of children claim to express themselves through the medium of clothing, so it does seem a little unfair that Muslims be exempt from the uniform. It also serves little more purpose than isolating the Muslim children in the eyes of the others students. You all preach how the children will become more tolerant of other religions, but that's rubbish. I remember school; Muslims wearing these headscarves will be picked on, they will be bullied, and they will be tolerated even less than before. That is how nearly all children work, it is evident in these very forums with the frequency the word 'gay' is used as an insult. If it's different, it's fair game, and that's what will happen. No learning, just mocking. I can also understand the argument for banning them. A uniform means exactly what it says -- uniform. If Muslims cannot conform to the uniform, you either scrap the uniform or ban Muslim clothing. It helps them to fit in. This, however, doesn't take into account the Muslim child's outlook on things once they grow up. It could go one of two ways: either the child is easily impressionable and simply forgets their religion and traditions, or the child is strongly attached to their traditions and grows to resent the government, schools and the natives of that country in general. It serves only to inter-cultural tensions. I don't really care either way. My opinion is that this is just one of those petty, trivial little farces that shouldn't even be considered. There are INFINITELY more important and worthy issues to be dealt with than this. But I do think it should be all or nothing, not a biased compromise one way or the other. That means ALL signs of religion, whether obvious or not, and includes the Christian cross, the Jewish kippah, and any other remotely religious symbol or clothing. Either that, or they don't stop Muslims from wearing headscarves, and let everyone else express their religious beliefs however they deem necessary. Doesn't really make any difference what I or other UK users think about this now, though. Britain has chosen its path of letting them wear the scarves in school, and it is doubtful that decision will ever be reversed in the near future.
What a load of crap. Who's fault is it that there is racism/bigotry, those who are racist/bigotted or those who are the object of racism/bigotry? KKK Member: "Hey look! It's a black man. Hey, black man! Stop being so black, or else we're going to have to lynch you!" Black man: "Ah can't change da color a mah skeen." KKK Member: "That's it, you asked for it! It's people like you that are the reason racism still exists." *Lynches black man* Muslim schoolchilren shouldn't have to change nothing about their dress. It's a thing called "liberty". EDIT: I didn't see anywhere in the original post about uniforms...I didn't know we were talking about uniforms here. But even still, why can't there be little deviations in the uniform such as religious symbols?
No religious symbols in public schools. If I wanted to see one, Id go to church (when hell freezes over)
17th June 2002
CataphractEDIT: I didn't see anywhere in the original post about uniforms...I didn't know we were talking about uniforms here. But even still, why can't there be little deviations in the uniform such as religious symbols?
I'm just assuming that it is about schools, and if that is the case if I were to care about this issue in the slightest, it would be in regards to British schools, most if not all of which enforce a uniform policy. In America, where I understand comparatively few schools enforce a uniform policy, I suppose such a ban would be largely pointless as theoretically ANYONE could show up wearing a headscarf, be they a Muslim or not. And as for why there can't be deviations in the uniform, I suppose you would be told by a supporter of this ban to look up a definition of 'uniform'. 'Deviations in the uniform' is a contradiction in terms.
CataphractMuslim schoolchilren shouldn't have to change nothing about their dress. It's a thing called "liberty".
I agree. Everyone is free to follow their own religion. And sometimes the headscarf is a part of the religion (as I said before), not only a symbol for it. So when you forbid it, you take away a part of a religion. Which doesn't seem ok-isch to me. And one thing: Im not only talking about the muslims, also about the Jewish people who wear kippahs.
Religious symbols(or others) create conflict between people
vladtemplarReligious symbols(or others) create conflict between people
That was I was thinking. If we don't allow Religious Symbols on schools, the racism will be reduced. Because people can't see whether someone is Jewish or Christian. That's one good argument to forbid headscarfs on schools.
Wasn't a 'headscarf' cultural instead of religious? Because in different Arabic country's they have different head (and body) 'protectors'.(It is originally meant as protection against men who may 'want' a woman because of her looks)