Should headscarfs be forbidden on schools? 53 replies

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vladtemplar

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#21 15 years ago
HGen_SnakeThat was I was thinking. If we don't allow Religious Symbols on schools, the racism will be reduced. Because people can't see whether someone is Jewish or Christian. That's one good argument to forbid headscarfs on schools.

Thanks, you got my point exactly. The wearing of religious symbols was designed hundreds of years ago to separate "US" from "THEM". Cops got their uniforms, soldiers got theirs. Thats understandable. In this case...not so much




Nemmerle Forum Moderator

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#22 15 years ago

It's a comfort isnt it? To sit back with something that expresses something, a cross a headscarf, whatever, some icon of religion. And to think of what you've been told, to allow yourself to be taken in even for a moment-- so very easy, so very comforting.

People need to learn to think for themselves again; religion provides them with a pre-packaged idea: Sit back, accept it, keep shtum; and however comforting it is never think for yourself, never answer the all important questions which you have a right to answer.

I've no objection to people expressing their belief, infact I encourage it as an expression of individuality; but this isn't their belief; this is just something they follow. Not an expression of individuality but an expression of an unwillingness to think for themselves, of taking the 'easy-way-out.'

In this age of the disposable and the pre-packaged people are used to things comming easy and cheap; pre-packaged TV microwave dinners, disposable dust wipes. Now it would seem pre-packaged and disposable faith has been with us longer than all these. We need to strip away all these little keepsakes and idols people take comfort in and force them to think so that they finally do ask the important questions-- of themselves. So they can't rip the cover off their nice microwaveable faith and set it for ten minutes.

Proper belief, the only kind that means anything comes from the person, not from some book or object, it is an expression of individuality and as such should be encouraged to be expressed wherever possible. Religion on the other hand, and the icons of religion just show how little people have thought for themselves.




Count Nosferatu

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#23 15 years ago

More to the point, does the Qur'an even justify the use of headscarves




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#24 15 years ago

I think they should be banned, as should all religious symbols. I get sick of people prattling on about their "religion", I really don't care what you did at the mosque last night. It bugs me how people try and stand out of the crowd using religion, I don't go around saying "Look at me, I'm not religious! Religion is stupid! It's the dumbest thing ever!". Likewise I don't think that religion should be forced in my face. So having headscarves will just identify people and force more religion down my throat. I have to learn RS by law, and I really fucking hate it. So down with all this religion in school stuff, I hate to pick on one particular religion, but in the UK muslims can get away with murder because of "religion". I was sat in French last week, and my teacher came over and bollocked me for not even having my book open. Then he walks past this muslim girl. She's just got here "prayer book" out on the desk, and he just kind of stares at it, she tells him "It's my prayer book" and then he walks away. I mean wtf! This is quite ludicrous, so keep it out of school, we all have a set uniform, if they can wear headscarves, I can make up a religion and come in wearing a WWII helmet....

More to the point, does the Qur'an even justify the use of headscarves

Yes it's one part of the hijab [I think anyway...], however it is not mandatory.




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#25 15 years ago

the head scarf was adopted off christian nuns during the crusades, as the muslims liked how it symbolized a kind of "stay away from me, im not to be touched", i watched a program about it, but i think they should be banned, people should follow the rules of a host country, i mean some nations when non-muslim female reporters go there, their made to wear a head scarf!!!!!!!!!!




samman

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#26 15 years ago
HGen_SnakeAnd something else: it was quite hard to write this all in English, I'm Dutch so... I just hope you understand it, ánd I hope it's not that bad. Though I think it's not (-that bad).

Seems to be perfect English to me (except for the line above the 'a' I underlined in the quote). Other than that, I have nothing to contribute. I am currently undecided on the matter.




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#27 15 years ago
NemmerleIt's a comfort isnt it? To sit back with something that expresses something, a cross a headscarf, whatever, some icon of religion. And to think of what you've been told, to allow yourself to be taken in even for a moment-- so very easy, so very comforting. People need to learn to think for themselves again; religion provides them with a pre-packaged idea: Sit back, accept it, keep shtum; and however comforting it is never think for yourself, never answer the all important questions which you have a right to answer. I've no objection to people expressing their belief, infact I encourage it as an expression of individuality; but this isn't their belief; this is just something they follow. Not an expression of individuality but an expression of an unwillingness to think for themselves, of taking the 'easy-way-out.' In this age of the disposable and the pre-packaged people are used to things comming easy and cheap; pre-packaged TV microwave dinners, disposable dust wipes. Now it would seem pre-packaged and disposable faith has been with us longer than all these. We need to strip away all these little keepsakes and idols people take comfort in and force them to think so that they finally do ask the important questions-- of themselves. So they can't rip the cover off their nice microwaveable faith and set it for ten minutes. Proper belief, the only kind that means anything comes from the person, not from some book or object, it is an expression of individuality and as such should be encouraged to be expressed wherever possible. Religion on the other hand, and the icons of religion just show how little people have thought for themselves.

Yes, Nemmerle. People do have flawed religious beliefs. But we can't just ban the use of headscarfs just because "I think Nemmerle's religion is right and there's is wrong." There's still a thing called religious freedom and toleration.




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#28 15 years ago

head scarfs... more religon?




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#29 15 years ago

I voted no. America and Europe should stay free and let the people wear whatever they want. and why only ban a signle religion's symbol/clothing?

if they want to ban religious symbols these need to eb banned too: Chritsian Crosses Jewish Star of David/kippah(got that from nemmerle) Muslims head scarff Sikh clothing(im not sure what they are called and Beards, since almost in all religions, the imam, rabbi, priest, etc. have beards all the like.

i still think they should let symbols free though, why bann them? muslims can integrate easily with other kids and people around them. come to america and see it for your self. my sister has doen it too. the only differnce between muslims and other kids is that the muslims kids wont be having boyfriends/girlfriends, and that like. and i dont think that has to do with anything in intergration. they dont want to be assimilated, they want to live together with europeans.

and i remember that story in britain about the girl that was kicked out of school for her head scarff, and she won :). also in Belgium(i think that was it, i think alos it IS the wrong country) there was a woman working for a company, she and her boss recieved alot of threats from killer to kill her and the boss if she dosent leave the company. she told the boss she would take off the head scarff, he told her no and he let her stay, but when it got too much for them she quit her job.

but yeah i think the 'integration' will be hard since people will be harassing the muslims, and bullying them ..




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#30 15 years ago

I say headscarfs should just be counted as any other type of hat, and let the dress code for whatever school it is deal with it. I see no reason to ban it strictly for the reason that it is a Muslim symbol, but I also think there's no reason to treat them specially if no hats are allowed in the school.