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#1 8 years ago

Something I thought about today whilst trying to disprove God to my somewhat convinced brother. It's another one of those Science v Religion things.

He's convinced God exists, and despite all my efforts to rationally explain all existence with as little science jibber-jabber as possible, he still believes it. It's down to his school. All the hymns sung at his 'assembly' and the teachings of the bible are convincing people that God exists...

However, there's a fairly solid argument... When a kid asks "how did the space begin", you cant go into the Big Bang theory and explain math and physics... Similarly when they ask "what happens when you die" you can't explain that bodies rot and there's no hell or heaven...

So what do you teach them? Whilst the truth is harder to teach them, teaching them irrational religious stuff is an effective scapegoat until they choose to disbelieve it, or are taught otherwise...

What do you think? Should kids be taught about God and the beginning of the earth, or about how it all actually started with the big bang, evolution and science? Surely if they are able to memorize the amount of hymns and bible stories they rehearse, they can remember a few simplified truths about the universe?

Then am I being a bit hypocritical? I celebrate Christmas and easter... Its part of our culture, and derives from the very thing I choose not to believe... Does religion add some sort of enjoyment to life? I guess that believing in a heaven and that some almighty powerful being adds comfort to everyday life. And also, if children believed in science and all the scientific stuff, they wouldn't be able to enjoy Christmas with the belief of a Father Santa Claus...

My brain needs a rest....

What's your opinion on the subject?




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#2 8 years ago

Don't teach them either as absolute truths.




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#3 8 years ago

Well mate, that depends. If its a public school, then probably they won't teach it. Private schools however can teach it if they want. But dude, why try to disprove your convinced brother?... Also the Big Bang Theory is well... A theory. You celebrate Christmas, well almost everybody celebrates it regardless of religion these days. Also in the Bible it also says that he shouldn't force you to believe in God, but he should encourage you. But do you force him to not believe in God? Did you listen to what he said? Is there a real change in his life or is he the same guy you used to know? Did you consider that he's still young and that he doesn't know everything? Hell nobody does.

The problem with evolution is that it also promotes racism. Also, did you know that Darwin was a Christian?... He was so mad that his daughter died that he slowly took a different path because no one could explain why God took his daughter. Well the world's a crappy place to live in. Its cursed and the rain falls on the righteous and the unrighteous. Hell, I was young and I thought being a Christian was easy... Easy?.. No nothing ever is. People think that when you're a Christian, everybody's happy and that flowers pop up where you go and the birds play songs like in snow white. LOL nope.

On Santa Claus, yes I liked believing in him as a kid, but then as I grew up, I learned he was taking the meaning of Christmas. Its not about the toys and candy.. Though a lot of people think its about the gifts you receive. Also... Watch out for "Christians" because some of them are just wolves in sheep's clothing. Especially the ones asking for erm... money. Also watch out for what they "teach" because some are twisting the Word of God. Like recently, the priest guy that said its OK to steal?.. really?.. Well, its true what the Bible says though, that many will come bearing Christ's name but they'll be false teachers. Like the inquisition, the templars, the crusades long ago - fanatics, but not true to the faith, only after riches, fame. They weren't Christians. But only a good few of them. Also, the Bible says a lot of things, like Christians should respect the beliefs of others. When a Christian mocks your faith, now there's something wrong there. So yeah, they should teach it, but they shouldn't force it on someone who doesn't want it. And also, look to God not to people, coz people screw up - big time.

Dude, I hope you don't go "oh yeah? what about this theory or this fact? or that? or this and what about?" on me LOL also please say something if I forgot anything coz I'll be back soon.. well maybe




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#4 8 years ago

To be honest I believe that some form of religion should be in schools either as a separate subject or as part of the various humane subjects.

But at the same time this should be indeed about religion in general, not about the truth in one. This subject should look at the various religions and non-religions in the world and explain them.

What I am strictly against is the teaching of one religion as the absolute truth.

To be honest the inquisition was very often indeed all for the faith. Not for their own riches, not for their own bettering, but for god. There's many facets to any cause. And they were just one of them.

And Darwin has always been a Christian I believe. He also was not an angry christian. Merely one who looked at the world with more open eyes.




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#5 8 years ago

In my opinion it should not be taught in Schools. Sometimes religion can just get in the way of some things, if parents want their kids to learn about religion, they should write up their kids for a Private school with a proper program for different religions.




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#6 8 years ago

I understand that. I bring this up because I was playing L4D and he was relating how zombies existing to God's will.

I guess I'm irritated by some peoples 'ignorant'. Ignorant being the word because despite there being fact about stuff, archeological recoveries and huge sums explaining how the world goes round, people still choose to believe in something which is way way way out common sense and all things possible.

After all, the concept of God's was just a primitive ancient way to explain things people didn't understand. The Planets and starts for instance were the Gods and weather patterns changed depending on God's moods and whatnot.

When nearly everything nowadays can be explained, people still believe God influences our lives.. Should schools encourage that?

In the UK, even public schools teach Christianity (with exceptions). My brothers school for instance. If children grow up believing that, surely it hinders the human understanding of evolution and space and such stuff.

I see youtube videos of people saying dinosaurs are conspiracy theorys and that i know people who've said they generally believe that different species are genetic mutations...

PS The topic was kinda aimed at teaching kids TO be religious not about their understand of the religions. R.E is a subject I have no issue with, its more the schools intention to convert us (or kids..).




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#7 8 years ago

Junk angel;5177772To be honest I believe that some form of religion should be in schools either as a separate subject or as part of the various humane subjects.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. We came to learn math or physics etc.

[/QUOTE] But at the same time this should be indeed about religion in general, not about the truth in one. This subject should look at the various religions and non-religions in the world and explain them.[/QUOTE]

Hmm.. I thought humans needed faith when religion was no more. Well, we need Someone to believe in..

[/QUOTE] What I am strictly against is the teaching of one religion as the absolute truth.[/QUOTE]

Well, there's wisdom in teachings of others too. You can't learn everything in life straight away.

[/QUOTE] To be honest the inquisition was very often indeed all for the faith. Not for their own riches, not for their own bettering, but for god. There's many facets to any cause. And they were just one of them.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but didn't they also kill a lot of people?...

[/QUOTE] And Darwin has always been a Christian I believe. He also was not an angry christian. Merely one who looked at the world with more open eyes.[/QUOTE]

I meant he was angry coz his kid died and no one could explain why God didn't keep her alive. Also, off topic, but nice new avatar junk angel. :)

Tolga<3;5177774In my opinion it should not be taught in Schools. Sometimes religion can just get in the way of some things, if parents want their kids to learn about religion, they should write up their kids for a Private school with a proper program for different religions.[/QUOTE]

And you CAN sign up in private schools and true, religion CAN get in the way of some things. That's why others become pastors, priests, etc. while others go on to be engineers, nurses, etc.

AcidFluxxBass;5177777I understand that. I bring this up because I was playing L4D and he was relating how zombies existing to God's will.[/QUOTE]

Aww man.. I just hate it when they drag God into video games like that. Like Starship Troopers 3 all over again. Like that movie where they were stuck in the convenience store and that kooky woman went all fanatic and a guy killed that soldier coz he was a guard of the project. What was it again?.. The Fog?.. The Mist?.. meh forgot.

[/QUOTE]I guess I'm irritated by some peoples 'ignorant'. Ignorant being the word because despite there being fact about stuff, archeological recoveries and huge sums explaining how the world goes round, people still choose to believe in something which is way way way out common sense and all things possible.[/QUOTE]

Well, my friend, in archaeological recoveries, are they sure those primates are were descendants of men? Or are just as they are?.. If can't force someone to believe in something, try convincing them - or well, just join them.

[/QUOTE]After all, the concept of God's was just a primitive ancient way to explain things people didn't understand. The Planets and starts for instance were the Gods and weather patterns changed depending on God's moods and whatnot. [/QUOTE]

No I don't think God was a primitive way to explain things people don't understand, but yeah, people do it.

[/QUOTE]When nearly everything nowadays can be explained, people still believe God influences our lives.. Should schools encourage that? [/QUOTE]

Again, that depends - legally a private school can do that, but as a Christian, yeah I think schools should encourage it.. And mate, science is not near to explaining everything, nope not by a long shot.

[/QUOTE]In the UK, even public schools teach Christianity (with exceptions). My brothers school for instance. If children grow up believing that, surely it hinders the human understanding of evolution and space and such stuff.[/QUOTE]

Sigh... I believe in God mate, but I don't believe in evolution.. Not because they taught it, not because a really smart someone said it, it doesn't mean I have to believe it. Though I like science fiction LOL

[/QUOTE]I see youtube videos of people saying dinosaurs are conspiracy theorys and that i know people who've said they generally believe that different species are genetic mutations...

Nope. In the Bible, Behemoth was the dinosaur, Leviathan was the dragon. They didn't use the word Dinosaur in the Bible coz they didn't have the word "Dinosaur" yet.

PS The topic was kinda aimed at teaching kids TO be religious not about their understand of the religions. R.E is a subject I have no issue with, its more the schools intention to convert us (or kids..).

Then I'm sorry mate, you can be as religious as you like, but without faith, religion is nothing. And without deeds, well, your faith is pretty dead. But, it doesn't matter whether you call yourself a Muslim, Christian, Jew, etc. but you believe in God and mind you, the true God, not the merciless one that a lot of people also call God.

PS, Don't take my opinion personally that's what I believe in I hope you respect it as I respect yours. ;) I'm a human being, I can't explain everything, you might think there are flaws in my explanations, well, a question - do you know everything there is to know about everything?..:lookaround: If I'm wrong, what have I got to lose?.. If you're wrong what have you got to lose?.. Just a thought there.




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#8 8 years ago

They should be thought morality, not religion necessarily.




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#9 8 years ago

l dont believe any religion should be taught in any school, religious school or not. The fact is religious schools already teach creation, and some schools teach plain wrong science to make there story fit better, which contradicts what teaching and leaning is all about. But most religious schools have very very limited teachings on evolution and its prosses. New religions form, that are more like terrorist groups, take scientoligy, and some of the dirty tricks they have pulled on ordinary people. Criminal. Discusting and criminal. What happens when they start there own schools ? Its crazy. Then theres the ID camp, buch of liers. ID is not creation they said in court, then showed an exsample of creation, then got proven wrong by evolution scientists, using the ID camps own evidence...... ID was a sneaky way of trying to get creation back onto the public schools teaching agenda, very sly, and who comes up with such evil conspirisies, religions ! Yes humble bunch of caring kind people they are, wanting to ram it down everyone throats again.....should be doing hail mary's !

No creation should not be taught as fact, it should be taught in a science classromm as a history lesson to past events, just like the rest. Science does not teach kids that the big bang is fact, but rather theory. Religious schools teach creation as fact. Fatally flawed. Yes religion should be taught as historical events, no it should not be taught as fact in relation to creation.




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#10 8 years ago
whiteshield Yeah, but didn't they also kill a lot of people?...

Merely a careful interpretation of the bible. That the thing with religious texts. They could usually have a preambule like most law texts, which would make it a tad easier to interpretate them. Sadly they don't. Just take a look at the number of just christian sects. And that's not even talking about the other two major religions around the Abrahamic god - the jews and the muslems. Completely different interpretations of the same matter more or less.

Now how would schools pick the correct religion to teach? Would they provide a further cause of alienation among students by allowing each religion to have it's class? Or will it just say these religions will have classes and everyone else fog off.

No, the best approach in this case is not a religious one. It's a moral and humanistic one. You can easily teach people about the beauties of christianity, of what christians believe. But at the same time, you should give them the option to know how others think, how others live. Hell if the class did nothing else but point out similarities between religions it would be good. Like wise this can be combined with philosophy which is already often thought and you can

Well, there's wisdom in teachings of others too. You can't learn everything in life straight away.

That's the thing. School should grant knowledge not dogma. Admittedly very often does impart dogma instead of knowledge, but that's a different subject entirely.