So... how many millions did theose gitmo detinees receive? 5 replies

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#1 9 years ago

This week it was announced a few Chinese Guantanamo detainees were almost certainly going to be released and accepted by Bermuda after being found innocent.

This ofcourse raises a few questions: - Why the hell did it took them so long to figure out they made a booboo (or atleast that guilt was not beyonf reasonable doubt) and set the release procedure in motion? - Have they been offered US ciitizenship as compensation? - And, as with all people who are imprisoned while being innocent (don't even mention the trial they received... ), how many millions will they get in compensation? You'd expect these guys would get several millions at th very least for being imprisoned wrongly, in piss poor (illegal) conditions and all that.




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#2 9 years ago

Damn right. Gitmo is a shameful page in America's history books. I find it horrifying that so many countries refuse to allow detainees that are released as innocent to enter into their countries. I'm glad I'm in one which will accept them.

The US government has to make up to these innocent men that they have tortured for no reason. They have to show them and the world that they like every one else is responsible for the actions.

But in all honesty, how do you make amends with someone who you tortured in so many different ways both mentally and physically repeatedly for so many years. There is not much they can do, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't try




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#3 9 years ago

Since only three people were tortured, last I heard, I doubt these guys were tortured. And they were probably safer and better taken care of there than back home. Of course, that's no excuse for not giving them a proper trial, so they should certainly be compensated, but I'd hardly say millions. Allow them U.S. citizenship, find them a job, and pay to bring their family over if they wish, or pay for their flight home and help them with a small sum of money to get started again.

Edit, missed that they were Chinese, so they would have been better off back home than detained. But still, it's not like Gitmo was like a Nazi concentration camp. It was a prison. At any rate, I'd still say the prope rthing to do is to just give them what they need to get on their feet and living normal lives.




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#4 9 years ago
Afterburner;4916740Since only three people were tortured, last I heard, I doubt these guys were tortured. And they were probably safer and better taken care of there than back home

Only three people? Come out from under you're rock and see the world as it actually is. The US government may have only admitted torturing a certain amount, that doesn't mean its the only amount tortured. And I consider imprisonment without justification to torture. If you disagree, try being locked up for no reason for an extended period of time and tell me its not torture.




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#5 9 years ago

It's up to you to prove they tortured these men they are releasing, not for me to prove they didn't. Being innocent doesn't suddenly make their imprisonment torture. Wrong, most certainly, but not torture. People use torture too loosely these days because of the fact that torture has come to mean simply an uncomfortable situation (like listening to the Jonas Brothers.) I don't doubt being imprisoned sucks, but it's not torture. Otherwise a number of human rights associations would take issue with the large prison systems in place all over the world.

I say again, help them get back on their feet, but millions is just ridiculous. It's not like this country has money coming out the ass these days.




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Afterburner;4916740Since only three people were tortured, last I heard, I doubt these guys were tortured. And they were probably safer and better taken care of there than back home. Of course, that's no excuse for not giving them a proper trial, so they should certainly be compensated, but I'd hardly say millions. Allow them U.S. citizenship, find them a job, and pay to bring their family over if they wish, or pay for their flight home and help them with a small sum of money to get started again.

Edit, missed that they were Chinese, so they would have been better off back home than detained. But still, it's not like Gitmo was like a Nazi concentration camp. It was a prison. At any rate, I'd still say the prope rthing to do is to just give them what they need to get on their feet and living normal lives.

Yup, the very least would atleast be helping them to se up a stable life again. Because they deserve it and also because it's in your own interest (dump them on the street, they will be desperate man and end up reaching for desperate solutions involving crime or worse...).

As for compensation: I'm not sure what the common comensation is for a person who has been wrongly held in jail and/or without propper trial, how bad or good these particular people had it (by the sound of it lots of gitmo detinees were exposed to sleep denial, loud music, various stress positions, water hoses etc. hadly how you treat a prisoner). The "they should get millions" is to get the debate going and also based on what I guess you would get in the US (especially with all the silly compensation amounts for not knowing coffee is hot, you not being supposed to microwave your pet to dry it or not being alert enough to notice your kid crawled into the washingmachine as there was no warning sticker about it...).

But at the very least they derve more then a plane ticket.

As for moving these people abroad: I'd be willing to accept a few of them here in the Netherlands, but those people should be offered a place in the US first. If an individual doesn't want to stay in the US (which I could quite understand) and can't/doesn't want to go back to were they were picked up, then yes I'd open my countries door to them.

But it would be wrong to sent out the signal "Yes we the US goverment made mistakes, now can you please take care of our "problems" a we don't want to fix it ourselves?" which quite naturally gets a response along the lines of "Are you insane? FIrst you mess up and now you want us to dix it because you are too damn paranoid, scared or don't want to "waste more money" ? Hell no, you make the first move, that's how we play (chess) in the international community".