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Joe Bonham

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#1 12 years ago
alcohol thread, posted by Pb2One of the ironies about America: you can represent your country in the Olympics and drive a 1.5 ton vehicle at 16; live on your own, die for your country and vote for your leader at 18, but cannot legally drink an alcoholic beverage until 21. The system is screwed...

Interestingly, I was going to post an alcohol thread - but Jeffro beat me to it (libertarians think alike I guess ;) ). All of this is simply a small piece of the big picture. As society and its views towards adulthood and responsibility change - the system gets out of wack and contradicts itself until things are sorted out. Sex Promiscuity is now considered liberation. Children are now free to do it with eachother whenever and however they want. Anyone who objects, or attempts to pass legislation requiring doctors to notify them about such activities involving their children are dubbed by the media and elites as "extremists" and "fanatics". So two 17 year olds can have sex all they want - but if the man is a month older than the girl - and turns 18 - he is labeled a "pedophile", for having sex with a "child", though she was hardly younger than he was. Responsibility In many ways, children and youth have more priviledges than ever before. A 13 year old girl is free to make the most important decisions of her life - whether or not to have sex, and whether or not to have an abortion - and can do it without her parents even knowing. Doctors at organizations like Planned Parenthood, conspire with the girl, making sure that the parents remain in the dark about her actions. The next day, the same girl decides she wants a navel ring. She must go to the body piercer with a parent, who must sign paperwork giving explicit permission for the procedure. Sounds skewed? Yes, that's the problem with social change. It doesn't all develop nicely, with all of its parts moving in unison. Things end up messy and confused. That's why there are conservatives. No, we're not Nazis against social progress. But things are less chaotic and fewer lives are destroyed if things are kept at a nice and easy pace.




WarHawk109

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#2 12 years ago

The problem with the left is that they want to be able to do whatever the heck they want and not have any responsibility at all. Having lots of sex and get pregnant? no problem just get an abortion!




Karst

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#3 12 years ago
WarHawk109The problem with the left is that they want to be able to do whatever the heck they want and not have any responsibility at all. Having lots of sex and get pregnant? no problem just get an abortion!

First of all, that's a very one sided and narrowminded thing to say, and secondly, we already have an abortion thread. So....what exactly is the point of this thread? What are you trying to say, that conservatives are awesome because they oppose social change? No one can stop a development like that, society changes as it pleases.




WarHawk109

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#4 12 years ago
KarstFirst of all, that's a very one sided and narrowminded thing to say

Oh? If people weren't so promiscuous, abortion wouldn't even be an issue. If you are sexually active and you or your gf gets pregnant it's no one else’s fault but your own. Abortion only exists as a means of convenience, a way of avoiding responsibility.

Can't afford a kid? Not prepared to be a parent? Have traveling plans? Just can't accept the responsibility of being a parent? Don't have sex; it can't get any simpler than that. And if you do decide to become sexually active that in spite of all this, then don't be surprised if it comes back to haunt you.




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#5 12 years ago
KarstFirst of all, that's a very one sided and narrowminded thing to say, and secondly, we already have an abortion thread. So....what exactly is the point of this thread? What are you trying to say, that conservatives are awesome because they oppose social change? No one can stop a development like that, society changes as it pleases.

Exactly, you can't control the rate at which society evolves and changes, it's going to find a way to do what it wants whether you like it or not. Even though it seems at a low point now, things will eventually change again, probably for the better. Life has its ups and downs, all you can do is deal with it and live as well as you can.




WarHawk109

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#6 12 years ago

what happens when society evolves in the wrong direction? what then? just let it happen?




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#7 12 years ago

I agree that it is unbalanced, but if there is a perceived need to change the way the system works, the system needs to justify itself, or to be able to change. I think it is more the way the changes are made - without the bigger picture in mind - than the changes themselves.

Machiavelli's ApprenticeA 13 year old girl is free to make the most important decisions of her life - whether or not to have sex, and whether or not to have an abortion - and can do it without her parents even knowing.

There is still a set age of consent, so I don't believe she is free to have sex.

Doctors at organizations like Planned Parenthood, conspire with the girl, making sure that the parents remain in the dark about her actions. The next day, the same girl decides she wants a navel ring. She must go to the body piercer with a parent, who must sign paperwork giving explicit permission for the procedure.

Plenty of people will disagree with me about this, but I don't believe parents should be able to force a child to keep their baby...even if the girl is too young to get a navel ring without consent. I don't really see that as a contradiction.

That's why there are conservatives. No, we're not Nazis against social progress. But things are less chaotic and fewer lives are destroyed if things are kept at a nice and easy pace.

Balanced, gradual change is not an inherent Conservative ideal.




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#8 12 years ago
WarHawk109what happens when society evolves in the wrong direction? what then? just let it happen?

Live your life how you see fit instead of complaining about modern society. No one has the power to alter the direction society takes.




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#9 12 years ago
WarHawk109what happens when society evolves in the wrong direction? what then? just let it happen?

It'll balance out eventually, unless it becomes a trend like "Stabbing people is cool" or something, I wouldn't worry about it and get on with my life living the way I want to.




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#10 12 years ago
WarHawk109The problem with the left is that they want to be able to do whatever the heck they want and not have any responsibility at all. Having lots of sex and get pregnant? no problem just get an abortion!

Is it just me or does it sound a little bit hypocritical if a party which supports the Iraq-war, industrial polution, abuse of prisoners and torture accuses another party of behaving irresponsible?