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#1 12 years ago

I found an interesting article:

http://www.geocities.com/romanianspecialforces/cercetasi.html#stories Is it true that Eastern special forces are better trained?

Let's take them one by one. First, the United States, the climax of capitalism, and a typical developed country. The population in such countries is increasingly overweight (over 40% of the citizens are overweight/obese - 2003 statistic), the feeding habbits are bad (fast food, cholesterol and nutrient disorders), while the high living standards make even going out to the supermarket a daily &quoteffort" for the average American. In such a country, where everybody watches on TV movies in which US soldiers standing in the middle of the street fire one round and kill an entire battalion of Iraqi soldiers, everybody thinks he can be a super-hero. Therefore, there is a large number of applicants for Special Forces units. And since Special Forces requirements are more or less the same worldwide, the crushing majority of the applicants don't even have a chance.
A Navy SEAL statistic says that in the past 20 years, the failure rate for SEAL applicants (recruits) was no less than 90% !! Ninety percent! And it comes at no surprize. When you think about it, most of the applicants don't really want to become SEALs, or they don't have the neccessary qualities.

Anyway what do you guys think. Kind of hard to believe but its harder to find evidence to disprove as well.




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#2 12 years ago

Hoo boy. I sure believe it. It's sad but true. America gets fatter by the year. :S




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#3 12 years ago

:bawl: Unfortunaty True:bawl: A Note To The Communists: plzdie:




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#4 12 years ago

Well of course its true that most fail cause its hard to be the best.:) Europe has some great spec ops. But I don't know what your talking about america getting fat.The difference tween ours and others are that ours are combat experinced because we are involved in lot of conflicts and are currently in one.It keeps the active duty soldiers very elite.




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#5 12 years ago

The Navy Seals scare me, and I am aiming for the Rangers. They have to be super-scuba people, they have to be underwater demolitions people, they have to be very strong, all-in-all REALLY good fighters/killers




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#6 12 years ago

Besides the fact its off a Romanian Special Forces website, something I found interesting is that they thought the high failure rate was a bad thing, personally I think it's a good thing. It means that we weed out the weak so that only the true gun-ho Navy Seals are left, quality not quantity.

However, I did read somewhere that the Spetsnaz (Russian Special Forces) beat the Army Rangers in a special forces competition in Alaska or some place like that, take it as you wish. I'll get back to you on the details.

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For instance, it is related that in the mid 1990s, there was a competition in Alaska, USA, of Spetsnaz GRU and US Army Rangers. The Rangers managed to be first only in one competition - lifting weights. Spetsnaz GRU was better in any other aspect, including running, target shooting, stealth, etc.

http://spetnaz.biography.ms/

This was formerly on Wikipedia, but it isn’t anymore. Which leads me to question its validity, I'm not sure how factual it truly is, anyone else heard about this? Interesting though if it is at all true.


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#7 12 years ago

I am fairly certain that the Australian (yes australian) SAS and British SAS are the two most elite Spec- Ops units in the world, and the British SAS si also the most highly trained and equiped.

I've never thought american troops were that good, just because they put more money into better weapons, doesn't mean the people holding them are better.




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#8 12 years ago

I read as late as today that the Swedish SSG is way better trained than Navy Seals and SAS, the only problem is that they don't have as much combat experience as SAS and NS has. And that is a big problem.




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#9 12 years ago

First of all, it's SEAL, not Seal, or seal. Show them the respect they deserve, and I'm even the Army guy.

SEAL failure rates have always been high, because training is so bloody hard. Not because Americans are fat, albeit a large number of us are.

Now, nobody can just waltz into a recruiting office and say to the guy across the desk "Damn it, I want to be a SEAL/Ranger/Green Beret/Force Recon/Para Jumper". The training is mentally and physically demanding, and only the best trained recruits are given the opportunity to go on to special forces training of any sort.

I suggest you read this article. It's long, but worth it.

SEAL Training Hell Week

from Navy News Service Of all the battles a SEAL (Sea, Air, Land) must fight, none is more important than their first– the battle of mind over body.

The voice was back. That small, self-doubting messenger returned to pitch its familiar monologue, “This is BS! Why are you putting yourself through this? You are never gonna make it all the way, so quit now and call it a day!”

Basic Underwater Demolitions and SEAL (BUD/S) instructors know the human machine is capable of amazing endurance even in the harshest of conditions and environments, but they also know the mind must be made to ignore the pleading of the body.

As their name suggests, SEALs are trained to conduct operations in any arena, and successful candidates spend 18 to 24 months in training before being assigned to teams. Every step is a challenge, and each test is progressively more difficult. On average, 70 percent of candidates never make it past Phase One.

For most, the greatest challenge lies in Week 4 of Phase One. A grueling 5.5 days, the continuous training ultimately determines who has the ability and mindset to endure.

“Welcome to Hell Week.”

Trainees are constantly in motion; constantly cold, hungry and wet. Mud is everywhere–it covers uniforms, hands and faces. Sand burns eyes and chafes raw skin. Medical personnel stand by for emergencies and then monitor the exhausted trainees. Sleep is fleeting–a mere three to four hours granted near the conclusion of the week. The trainees consume up to 7,000 calories a day and still lose weight.

The inner voice mimics the BUD/S instructor pacing the line of waterlogged men with his bullhorn. “If you quit now you could go get a room at one of those luxury hotels down the beach and do nothing but sleep for an entire day!

Throughout Hell Week, BUD/S instructors continually remind candidates that they can “Drop-On-Request” (DOR) any time they feel they can’t go on by simply ringing a shiny brass bell that hangs prominently within the camp for all to see.

“The belief that BUD/S is about physical strength is a common misconception. Actually, it’s 90 percent mental and 10 percent physical,” said a BUD/S instructor at the San Diego facility. “(Students) just decide that they are too cold, too sandy, too sore or too wet to go on. It’s their minds that give up on them, not their bodies.”

“Whaddaya think? All you have to do is get up and go smack the hell out of that shiny, brass bell. You KNOW you want to. …”

It is not the physical trials of Hell Week that are difficult so much as its duration: a continual 132 hours of physical labor.

Through the long days and nights of Hell Week, candidates learn to rely on one another to keep awake and stay motivated. They tap one another on the shoulder or thigh periodically and wait for a reassuring pat in response that says, “I’m still hangin’ in there, how ‘bout you?” They cheer loudly when they notice a mate struggling to complete his mission and use the same as fuel when they themselves feel drained. They learn to silence that inner voice urging them to give in and ring that hideous, beautiful bell.

Sleep. He would do anything for it. He couldn’t remember what day it was, or when he had last had sleep. But, he knew it felt good, and NOTHING about “Hell Week” felt good. He had been cold and wet for days. There were open sores along his inner thigh now from being constantly soaked. And every time he moved, the coarse, wet camouflage raked over the wounds, sending lightening bolts of pain through his body. Maybe the voice was right. Maybe he should just get up, walk over, and ring that bell.

The body often lies to the mind, and being susceptible to muscular exclamations of pain and exhaustion, the mind begins to believe in its fragility and give up. It is a fierce fight that many candidates never win, but for those who go on to become Navy SEALs, learning to push the boundaries of their physical limitations is the foundation for all subsequent training and operations.

For those who make it through the infamous 132-hours of Hell Week comes the inner knowledge that their bodies can go far beyond their previous expectations.

The concept of mind over matter is reflected in an oft-chanted phrase during Hell Week: “If you don’t mind, it don’t matter.”

Once Hell Week and Phase One of basic SEAL conditioning is finished, the candidates move on to new challenges, knowing they have it within themselves to stay the course.

But training is far from over. Before candidates earn the right to wear the coveted trident badges that identify them as members of the Naval Special Warfare community, they face training far beyond the fence lines of Naval Amphibious Base, Coronado, Calif.

Underwater in San Diego for scuba and “drown-proofing;” in the mountains of Southern California for rappelling, mountain climbing, explosives, small-unit movements and tactics; and San Clemente Island, Calif., where they take a final land-warfare exercise in a real-time environment.

This means graduation from BUD/S. After graduation, it’s on to Fort Benning, Ga., to learn the basics of static-line parachuting, followed by 15 weeks of SEAL Qualification Training (SQT) before a final threeweeks of Extreme Cold-Weather Survival.

The frigid, mountainous environment of Kodiak, Alaska, now is the final testing ground. Similar to the extreme conditions encountered in Afghanistan, candidates spend three weeks surviving these near-arctic conditions. They plunge into the coastal waters from small boats. Bulky dry-suits shelter them from the chill of the water as they make their way to shore carrying everything they need to climb cliffs, traverse gorges, rappel mountain faces and sleep in the snow.

One of the first candidates to complete Cold-Weather Survival course as part of his SQT was an aircrew survival equipmentman 3rd class.

Originally from Louisiana, the PR3 preferred the sultry heat of the South and had never been exposed to snow before. He dreaded the training that included submerging himself in ice water and spending several nights exposed to Kodiak’s extreme elements. During the experience, he found he and his teammates relied more on their perseverance than their equipment.

“It was one of the roughest parts of training for me,” he said. “Even though we were issued cold-weather gear, nothing kept me warm. It was just above a freezing rain, really miserable weather and everyone was sick. But, I knew there was no way I was going to let it get to me after coming so far.”

Candidates must break through ice-encrusted waters, jump in without the protection of their dry-suit, tread water for three to four minutes, pull themselves out of the water, then dry their clothes and gear off.

While some might question the necessity of being inducted into this “Polar Bear Club,” SEAL candidates once again silence inner doubts and follow instructions as given. Even in the later phases of SQT, candidates call upon their mental determination to pull them through.

“I kept thinking of that scene in the movie ‘Armageddon,’” said a fellow SEAL candidate and boatswain’s mate 3rd class. “The rescue team going to the asteroid asked about the environment in space, and as NASA engineers described it, the heroes replied, ‘Worst possible environment imaginable, that’s all you had to tell us.’

That’s pretty much what Cold-Weather Training was like for me: worst possible environment imaginable.”

After the completion of Cold-weather Survival Training, they are awarded their trident badge and Navy Enlisted Classification code at Naval Special Warfare Center, Coronado, Calif.

With terrorist threats on the rise around the world, SEALs are needed more than ever. Yet, even with a pressing need for more such men, training of candidates remains as tough as it has ever been.

The 24-month training process will continue to separate the determined candidates from the undecided.

As Navy SEALs put their lives on the line defending America, each member of that team must know without a doubt that the man fighting next to him will not give in or punk out when things start to get rough.

“NO! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up!” he silently screamed at the pessimistic voice as the sea came at him again. It worked! He focused once again on the other SEAL candidates linked arm-in-arm with him in the wet sand. He could hear their combined sputterings and groans. He also heard the crash of the surf, but the defeatist voice inside his head was gone–at least for the moment. Someone had to ring the bell before the group could crawl out of the icy water, but it wasn’t going to be him, damn it! He gritted his chattering teeth, and prepared for the next wave. “After all,” he told himself sternly, “what’s a little water to a SEAL?”

Basically put, whoever said SEALs are pussing out these days is either a liar, or a moron. My bet is both.

If you guys want to have a special forces dick measuring contest, then please, not here. This is not the place for such things, do it in the General Discussion.




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#10 12 years ago
USMA2010First of all, it's SEAL, not Seal, or seal. Show them the respect they deserve, and I'm even the Army guy.

That they deserve? Hahaha you made my day, really funny. What do you mean with "the respect they deserve"? Do they deserve more respect then anyone else? If I would write, hmm let's see...France as france, would that be the same thing? I mean doesn't France deserve to be written with a capital f? I must say that you are a hilarious person, hell, your not even American, but still that patriotic. Patriotic for something that you wern't even born in (Norway, wasn't it?).