Special forces- Is it true about the seals? 63 replies

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Admiral Donutz VIP Member

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#61 13 years ago
Crazy WolfIf you are a hostage-rescuer, generally it is a good idea not to give the hostages something that requires an antidote.

It depends, it miht not always be effective to use a "common" weapon such as smoke grenades, flashbangs etc. it *could* have worked and prevent a lot of casualties (with flashbangs etc. the terrorist probably would have blown themselfs up) but unfortunately they made a bi mistake by not providing sufficient after care. Mistakes where made for sure, let's hope thy won't make them again.




Gauntlet

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#62 13 years ago

USMA2010That matters how?

Special forces and SWAT teams never, under any cirumstances, should enter a building without knowing full well what the situation is going on inside. They did not know what all that gas was going to do, and they ended up killing dozens of people.

So you give the blame to the regular Spetsnaz soldier? They didnt decide it was time to go in, the operation leader did.

The Spetnaz soldier did a fine job inside of the building, they shot all of the terrorists (except 1, I think) which is great justice if you ask me.

May I ask, have something like an US school, or an concert hall with like 600 people ever been attacked by 40 fully armed and eqiupped terrorists?

Remember, all of the Chechen terrorists were shot in the fucking head...thats what I call aim!

I highly doubt any US team could have done a better job.




Mephistopheles

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#63 13 years ago

GauntletSo you give the blame to the regular Spetsnaz soldier? They didnt decide it was time to go in, the operation leader did. The Spetnaz soldier did a fine job inside of the building, they shot all of the terrorists (except 1, I think) which is great justice if you ask me. May I ask, have something like an US school, or an concert hall with like 600 people ever been attacked by 40 fully armed and eqiupped terrorists? Remember, all of the Chechen terrorists were shot in the fucking head...thats what I call aim! I highly doubt any US team could have done a better job.[/quote] I hesitate to call this mission a success but I have to agree partially. Putin wanted to show that Russia didn't accept political blackmailing and so he decided to end the conflict in a bloody way. The mission leader claimed that the mission was actually a success because less civilians died than 'estimated' before the storming of the theater. I don't know whether Western special forces / police units would have been better prepared for such a suicide mission. AFAIK there had been no comparable situation like THIS in a Western country by now.

[quote=Relander]Actually the reason why so many people got killed was because there was not enough specialists to give them antidotes.

Exactly. I think the special forces cannot be blamed for the logistical failure of the leadership.




Crazy Wolf VIP Member

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#64 13 years ago

Yes, but the choice to use something that requires an antidote, instead of, say, a weaker sleeping gas or tear gas is a bit odd, in my (uninformed) opinion. But good point you make there, Doenitz...