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#1 7 months ago

So the issue seems to stem around the fact that in two separate Starbucks chains, people have been told they can't use the bathroom because they have not bought anything, in one case, this lead to two black men being arrested and removed, and in one case, a man was escorted out of the store by security because he kicked up a storm when the rule apparently didn't apply to another, white, customer.

People should be treated equally. But is the bathroom policy a fair policy?
Are they enforcing that policy as they would for anyone, or not?

Removing anyone from a store over it seems extreme.


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#2 7 months ago

I find the whole bathroom policy ridiculous. Give a fucking tax break or something to businesses that open their bathrooms to the public and keep them clean. That would be healthier and make the neighbourhood nicer.


As for racism, I won't be surprised if that's the case. The United States and certain European countries have a massive racism issue. I could completely imagine a bigoted cunt restricting the bathroom to only white people.




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#3 7 months ago

To be honest, I didn't even know that restaurants, especially those as well know as Starbucks, even had such a stupid policy.  I know there are some gas stations that give keys attached to batons, but I don't quite understand the reasoning behind that either.  I suspect part of it is to reduce vagrancy - i.e. homeless people sleeping in the bathrooms - but come on.  When you have two customers and you opt to give the allowance to someone else because they are a different color?  I'm surprised that employee wasn't fired on the spot for blatant stupidity, let alone racism.  


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#4 7 months ago

From what I have read about that incident I do not think it was a racist thing at all. The 2 guys asked to use the bathroom and the staff told them the policy which to be honest most UK pubs and restaurants have. It is not upto private business to provide toilets to general public. Ok so they decided that they were not going to leave or order anything but instead sat at a empty table being loud so they were asked to leave again and they didn't so Starbucks staff rightly called the police.

The fact that they are black should not be a issue, The fact that they caused a minor stir should and if they were white and had been arrested for causing a disturbance chances are they would have been fined but because the media shouted racism they were released amid a media storm.

Racism is a horrible thing and hopefully one day it will be a distant memory in the history of humanity but right now any shop has the right to create any policy that does not break the law for there own premises. The police are there to enforce any the law of the land no matter what color or nationality people are.  I know I would not be kicking off if a shop said sorry you have to buy something and everyone knows that cafe tables are for customers not just for people to sit at because they have been told they cannot use the loo.




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#5 7 months ago
Posted by Goody.

From what I have read about that incident I do not think it was a racist thing at all. The 2 guys asked to use the bathroom and the staff told them the policy which to be honest most UK pubs and restaurants have. It is not upto private business to provide toilets to general public. Ok so they decided that they were not going to leave or order anything but instead sat at a empty table being loud so they were asked to leave again and they didn't so Starbucks staff rightly called the police.

The fact that they are black should not be a issue, The fact that they caused a minor stir should and if they were white and had been arrested for causing a disturbance chances are they would have been fined but because the media shouted racism they were released amid a media storm.

I'm not so sure.  The news coverage is fairly sparse, and most of the sources I've seen are either local sites of unknown (to me)  credibility or Fox news.  But the picture I've seen makes me very suspicious.  First of all, if the policy was no access without purchase, why was it broken for one person but not the other?  Was it their lucky day?  Were they the millionth customer?  Or was it, indeed, bias?  I dunno, you may have more credible sources than I do and, if so, I'd like to see them.  As for the stir, I don't condone what he did, but if things went down as he claims, I can certainly understand the reason for it.  What he should have done once he had the footage is send it straight to corporate and demand an explanation of the policy.  Major companies like Starbucks do NOT want ANY negative press and it might have been handled in-house.  Like I said, even if the manager wasn't deliberately (accidentally?) racist, she certainly acted stupidly, and that's not a nice trait for anyone holding the keys to part of a cafe or restaurant chain.


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#6 7 months ago

I think there is a real chance that she was accidentally racist in that as it was 2 big black guys making a scene I think she would be more inclined to ring the police but if it was 2 white collage kids making a scene it would have been dealt with differently.

That said is that racist or is it that she was just more scared ? is it a bad area or does the manager come from a bad area.

All the race issue aside they were asked to either buy something or leave, they did neither and as such yes the manager was within her rights to call the police. If it had been 2 white guys it would not of made local news at all and no one here would be debating it.

In this day and age there is no reason not to have cameras in a shop like that to protect the staff and customers and shop policies to made available to all and people should not be afraid to call the police because over zealous media might call them a racist. Once to police arrived all these guys had to do was walk away and complain to the head office but they opted for a course of action that had them arrested. To me that says these people have a inflated sense of self importance and that they seem to think that they can do what they want and go where they want without the rules applying to them but I maybe wrong.

If it is proven to be a racist decision by the manager then they should be fired without a doubt but surely all the facts should be looked at before such a horrible label is applied to that person.




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#7 7 months ago

I think we have our wires crossed here.  I've nothing against calling security or police if someone is making a scene, I'm simply talking about the actions that inspired it.  The policy in itself is not a universal one.  And if this manager had the power I'm lead to believe she did as outlined by the quotes below, she broke her own policy.  

"Starbucks CEO Kevin Johnson apologized after the arrests, saying Monday on Good Morning America that the Philadelphia store’s guidelines outlined scenarios in which calling the police is the right move.But “it was completely inappropriate to engage the police,” in this particular situation, he said, noting that employees will now have more training, particularly against unconscious bias.

It’s not always clear whether sitting in a Starbucks or using a Starbucks restroom without purchasing any items is allowed. A company spokesperson said Starbucks does not have a broad policy prohibiting people from using restrooms or sitting inside for free, allowing individual stores to set their own rules. Populations density plays a part too — it’s a little easier for people to wait unnoticed inside a more crowded Starbucks in a place like New York City without paying and than it is in sparser locations where policies can be enforced more strictly."

Full story HERE


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