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Nemmerle Advanced Member

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#191 16 years ago

TheMirageyou people will say anything to justify your actions. [/QUOTE]

And you will create mythical third possibilities to justify yours. At least our actions have some basis in reality rather than being firmly steeped in the myths of la-la-cuckoo-land.

TheMiragePlease define then, a "potential human life"

'Potential' Existing in possibility

'Human' A bipedal primate mammal susceptible to or representative of the sympathies and frailties of human nature

[QUOTE=TheMirage]Really, this is absurd.

When someone refuses to argue on logical terms they can’t call anything 'absurd'




TheMirage

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#192 16 years ago
And you will create mythical third possibilities to justify yours. At least our actions have some basis in reality rather than la-la-cuckoo-land.

Such as? And you call wanting to prevent murder "la-la-cucko"? I'm not the one who is having to resort to personal attacks.

When someone refuses to argue on logical terms they can’t call anything 'absurd'

I've backed up what I said with logic. I'm tred of repaeating myself to people whose ears are closed. Now you do it. And please don't make it up.

'Potential' Existing in possibility

'Human' A bipedal primate mammal susceptible to or representative of the sympathies and frailties of human nature

Human- like you said

Life- smallest unit of life is a cell.

Fetus is multiple cells. Therefore, it is a human life. That logic enough for you. No, I would assume not. You probably aren't even listening.




Nemmerle Advanced Member

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#193 16 years ago

TheMirageSuch as? And you call wanting to prevent murder "la-la-cucko"? I'm not the one who is having to resort to personal attacks.[/QUOTE]

Preventing one death at the cost of untold thousands, throughout the course of our future. One way or the other people die as a consequence of your action or inaction. Yet you seem convinced there is a third possibility. That is la-la-cuckoo-land logic.

TheMirageI've backed up what I said with logic. I'm tired of repeating myself to people whose ears are closed. Now you do it. And please don't make it up.

Yes we've been here; no third option exists. I’ve explained it logically, however if you refuse to operate within the rules of logic then I cannot use it to convince you.

[QUOTE=TheMirage]Human- like you said

Life- smallest unit of life is a cell.

Fetus is multiple cells. Therefore, it is a human life. That logic enough for you. No, I would assume not. You probably aren't even listening.

A rat is multiple cells yet it is not human. At best it has the potential to be a human, and so do sperm and ovaries when not denied interaction.




vladtemplar

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#194 16 years ago

This is why we still have an argument about when one becomes a person, and what can you call a "human". It will never stop. There is no one correct view on this matter.

BTW, Ged, please check your in-box




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#195 16 years ago
TitusI might go knock up some random chick then "accidentally" punch her in the stomach when she starts showing. That way, I can donate the fetus to science for stem cell research! Yay!

Have fun, then she sues you for murder. That is a crime, abortion done by a doctor is not a crime.




Μαjïç MushrøøM

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#196 16 years ago

Indeed, that will get you nowhere Titus. :vikki:




Ekips

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#197 16 years ago

It's ironic for all the pro-lifers who suppurt bush.During the clinton administration abortions were cut in half reaching a 24 year low.But now during the bush administration abortions are at a record high.So by not caring about the economy or healthcare and voting on your morals you are actually causing more abortions:eek:




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#198 16 years ago
FesteringGoblike I said in the " end of the world" thread, I will explain my self here. The more u think about it, the more pointless stem cell seems. you create a life and then destroy it to save another but you still lose a life so what is the point? are they saying that the other person is more important then the embryo just because it cant walk and talk yet? maybe I have not heard the whole argument but it seems stupid and pointless to me. It is the same thing as abortion. It makes me sick!!!! :barf: by all means post your opinions but lets try to keep this clean.

That makes a lot of sence actually. I feel much the same way. We do not know the moment at which God creates a soul to accompany the unborn. Does it happen when the sperm cell penetrates the egg and injects it's DNA? Does it happen when the fetus begins to split into many cells? Does it occur when the fetus is 2 weeks old? 2 months old? We just do not have the answer. I don't think we ever will. Killing a fetus is at best gambling therefore, and at worst, it is murder if someone separates the body and spirit, and thus cause God to accept the spirit that no longer accompanies the growing body that is destroyed. The Bible tells us that God has told us not to kill others. It is for God to take life. It is not man's business. Killing fetuses is performing a task that God himself has told us is His right alone. And since we do not know the moment or method of God creating a spirit for our bodies, killing a fetus is likely murder.




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#199 16 years ago
WarWolvesWe do not know the moment at which God creates a soul to accompany the unborn.

Nor do we know if it even happens at all. Could be there is no such thing as God or souls. And, by the way, if a fetus receives a soul at conception, then heaven must be almost entirely populated by unborn children, because most fertilized embryos don't even implant and are flushed out naturally.




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#200 16 years ago
candiceNor do we know if it even happens at all. Could be there is no such thing as God or souls.[/QUOTE] Many do know because they have a relationship with God. Others do not, and therefore may not know, if for no other reason. [QUOTE=candice]And, by the way, if a fetus receives a soul at conception, then heaven must be almost entirely populated by unborn children...

Again, we do not know the moment that God chooses to instill the soul. But theoretically, that might not be far from the truth. In the next realm, there is no need of a body, so it would not matter if the unborn ever experienced life as a mortal or not.