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Roaming East

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#1 12 years ago

Looks like Fox News has a bug up its ass and is heavily circulating news that El Salvador is liquidating its manportable SAM inventory. Do these bad boys have the ability to turn the skies into flaming zones of airliner death or is this more media-inspired hype/fear-mongering?




Tas

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#2 12 years ago

Its dangerous to say the least, it just takes one of these things to blow a 747 with several hundred people in it out of the sky. Its not like they will easily shoot one down, the bulk of most airliners with all the redundant systems make it pretty hard, but that doesnt mean its not a bad idea. :P




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#3 12 years ago

Portable SAM-systems don't have very big warheads but it's enough to take out one engine of a large commercial jet and that is enough to bring it down if you hit it at the right moment (for example during take-off or landing). They are also practical in guerilla-warfare if used against helicopters.




Tas

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#4 12 years ago

Indeed, i'm sure domestic terrorists in the US would love to shoot down some police helicopters.




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#5 12 years ago

Against airliners they are a real threat. Even the old 9K32 [SIZE=-1]Strela can make very short work of a civil aviation aircraft. The addition of a flare countermeasure system would greatly reduce the threat, plus one must remember that most commercial airline pilots are ex-air force or ex-naval pilots, and probably know the fundimentals of how to deal with SAMs. [/SIZE]




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#6 12 years ago
The 13th RaptorIndeed, i'm sure domestic terrorists in the US would love to shoot down some police helicopters.

I actually meant military helicopters used in Iraq or Afghanistan, it's probably easier to smuggle such weapons to those places anyway.




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#7 12 years ago
USMA2010Against airliners they are a real threat. Even the old 9K32 [SIZE=-1]Strela can make very short work of a civil aviation aircraft. The addition of a flare countermeasure system would greatly reduce the threat, plus one must remember that most commercial airline pilots are ex-air force or ex-naval pilots, and probably know the fundimentals of how to deal with SAMs. [/SIZE]

There is only so much you can do with an airliner just after takeoff and before landing.. and i think "short work" is a little much. I really dont think those little sams have enough power to make short work of anything bigger than a helicopter or fighter jet, sure, it can bring em down, but it might not, and i think it leans towards not.




emonkies

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#8 12 years ago

Do we know what kind of MANPAD's

Most US airliners have IR scramblers to reduce the threat of a terrorist from getting ahold of a IR SAM and shooting down a airliner.




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#9 12 years ago

RPG Hits Black Hawk *BOOM* *This is Super Six Four we are going down,I repeat we are going down* surface to air missiles are a sure threat for helos since they are not as fast as fighter aircraft. BTW,are anti-aircraft guns worth anything now?the US lost some military helicopters in Afghanistan right?Was it due to mechanical failure of some sort or due to enemy fire?




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#10 12 years ago

Both

Some helo's are old and need replaced but due to budget cuts that didnt happen.

Most Helo's are very vulnerable to even small arms fire to tail rotor area and the main gearbox.

The Apache is supposed to be able to operate for 30min with no lube in gearbox and be all but invulnerable to small arms fire. Combat experience has proven this to be a lie.