We are fighting a people that hates us. We have one of the largest militaries in the world. They can strike any where, at any time, any place. Our government goes against their very religion. The government seems to think that the more insurgents they kill the less the terrorists. Terrorists dont fear death, how is death going to stop them? For every insurgent that we kill, the wife and son will become one. For every brother we kill, the other brother will become one. You cannot attack a idealogy with bullets, it just wont happen. America was founded by "Insurgants" We were up against an army that dwarfed our own. They thought that if they sent troops over to quell the uprising, everyone will forget. The Americans didnt forget the want for their own nation. We used guerilla tactics, wearing down the grand british army and navy. They sent an army to attack an ideology, Freedom for all religions, races, cultures. It didnt work. And now we are here, fighting a people whos ideology differs from our own. We cannot force them to think like us. We cannot scare them into thinking like us. We cant hurt them into thinking like us. All we are doing is turning younger generations hostile to the westerners. Creating more terrorists, something we dont want to do. If only the government and the chickenhawks would see this. We have to change many aspects of our culture to reduce terrorism. We have to show the common peoples of the middle east that we are not demons. We have to show them that they are better off as a westerner. We must teach them that we are not cruel, ruthless. When they see us on their land, they get mad, when they see us attacking another country for no reason, they think that all the anti-american propaganda is true, that we are devils. The muslims tell their children how bad the US is, only to be confirmed when someone close to them dies due to a mistake by the US military or a terrorist that is trying to take out our soldiers. History has shown that military might cannot destroy an ideology. Military will suppress it, will never get rid of it. And when the military is weak, the ideology that has been suppressed all these years will be released causing normal people to bear arms and fight to the death. Military wont cut it, how can America show the common people that we are not bad, that the grass is greener on the other side for any man, woman, child that comes over? How will we defuse the hatred of the western world? How do we tell them that we are normal people that just want to live our life the best we can, and shed the demonic image that we have gained?
That's a pretty good post. I really think there is a large difference between the insurgency in Iraq and the terrorism that toppled the world trade centers or bombed Madrid and London. While the insurgency in Iraq is a form a terrorism, with the tactics they use, it's far more local than the terrorism we know too well. The "terrorists" being killed in Iraq aren't the ones who would be planning big international plots, but rather the ones who answer the call to arms after the invasion. Same goes for the people in surrounding countries who want a piece of the action. We are hardly wearing down their numbers, but rather, making more.
iraq is a terrorist magnet. Every terrorist in the world wants to take a potshot at our guys over there, because they are valnurable. Not to mention a forced takeover got some of the locals in on it.
Kind of ironic, we go to a country to take out terrorists and we dont even get the right ones, all the while creating more due to our presence.
The only rational way to attack an ideology is to undermine it. The man who organized the dubbing of Sesame Street into Iraqi deserves a medal more than the man who planned out the strike zones in Operation Iraqi Freedom (military operations always get the most euphamistic titles)
Maybee we could get them to adopt Asian culture instead? Or how about African. Either one would be more likely to succed than Western culture. All we have to do is pony up lots of cash to buy the weapons that insurgents buy from Russian, China, and other nations and then they won't be able to fight. And we can give all these weapons to the Iraqi army and rebels fightinh to overthrow dictators elsewhere.
I have one idea: Get off their land. Get the american presence out of anywhere they consider holy. If the people of those countries see us get off, the leaders cant say we are attacking the muslims. That will help.
GreatGrizzlyI have one idea: Get off their land. Get the american presence out of anywhere they consider holy. If the people of those countries see us get off, the leaders cant say we are attacking the muslims. That will help.
Or not. If we just threaten to blow up one of their most hly mosuks if they attack us, and then we actually do, than say we'll take Muhhamends body and smash it to dustyer dust, they will see the light and stop the foolishness. For however "brave" a terrorist is to blow himslef up,, it takes far more bravery ro actually fight out Marines like civilized humans.
you dont get it. The reason the average joe muslim (or the average mohammad :lol:) is up in arms is because they believe we are attacking their religion. The US going and attacking a middle eastern country only affirms that belief. We blow up a mosque, that affirms that we are against them, even though we are not. That is what causes the average mohammad to strap bombs to his chest and takes out military convoys, because they believe they are killing the "invaders"
That...is false. We never have and are not attacking a religion. Neither does the terrorist reflect the majority of Muslims. It's a silly generalization that many people make, just like the generalizations foreigners make of Americans. What America is fighting is actually a small group of individuals that have used their religion as an excuse to kill people. To believe that everyone in the Middle-East is a terrorist is both ignorant and unfounded.
middle easterners generally have a distrust for westerners. Mostly because of the extreme cultural and religional differences.
That...is false. We never have and are not attacking a religion.
i never said we attacked their religion, but they think we have.
Neither does the terrorist reflect the majority of Muslims. It's a silly generalization that many people make, just like the generalizations foreigners make of Americans.
I never said that majority of muslims are terrorists. Dont put words in my mouth.
but then again you are just being argumentative and shouldnt be part of this conversation.