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Mr. Pedantic

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#1 8 years ago

Dr Death: body parts for sale on internet by controversial anatomist Gunther von Hagens - Telegraph

The German entrepreneur, whose Body Worlds exhibitions showed human cadavers in lifelike poses, has told clients they will be able to buy the fleshless corpses which he injects with plastic resin over the internet.

The body parts will go on sale from November 3 with whole human bodies available for £61,733, according to a report by Sueddeutsche Zeuitung newspaper.

Torsos will be on sale for around £50,154 while human heads will be on offer for £19,495 each. Animal parts are also available.

Only scientists and medical experts will be eligible to buy them, Mr von Hagens insitsted.

German Roman Catholics have condemned the move. Archbishop Robert Zollitsch has appealed to politicians asking them to ban the online store for "breaking a taboo" and not showing proper respect to the dead.

The scientist's technique, which involves removing body fluids and fat from corpses and replacing them with plastic resin, has made him a multi-millionaire since he developed it more than a decade ago.

He has never shied away from controversy and in 2002 he went ahead with the first public autopsy in 170 years in Britain, despite concerns that he could be arrested.

He was once accused of using the bodies of executed prisoners from China in his plastination process and in 2004 he returned seven corpses which had head injuries because he said he could not prove they had not been executed.

In Berlin last year he displayed two plastinated corpses having sex in an exhibition called "Cycle of Life".

His "Plastinarium", a factory in Brandenburg, east Germany, employs 200 workers.

I read this in the paper this morning. What do you guys think about this? I've seen a few of this guy's DVDs, and I have to say, they are quite educational, if a bit superficial (for me, anyway). But those were bodies donated for educational purposes; how does that translate to donating body parts, or being sold body parts, for resale? Apparently they'll only go towards scientists and doctors; but who would buy them? The hospital our medical school works with has a surplus of people wanting to donate their bodies for us; they have to turn people away. The bodies are given gratis, because the community appreciates how the hospital and medical school is run and the cause their bodies are serving. And we respect them in kind. We treat their bodies as gifts, we do our best to learn the most we can from them, we take care to keep everything together, and we hold a proper memorial and funeral for the bodies at the end of the year before they are cremated. But how do you do this for a cadaver that's been bought? How do you convey your thanks to the donor's family?

Those are some of my thoughts. I'd be interested in hearing what you guys have to say.




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#2 8 years ago

Better to get turned into something that will last a long time than to get thrown in a hole and eaten by bugs. If people are willing to donate their body to be made into a sculpture, then I see no problem with it.

By selling only medical experts and scientists, he is trying to prevent anything bad from happening to his creations. The price would also discourage many from buying a one his works to do anything "bad" to.




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#3 8 years ago

We care more about these people now they're dead than when they were alive. I can't help thinking this concern has things the wrong way around.




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#4 8 years ago
Pethegreat;5414841Better to get turned into something that will last a long time than to get thrown in a hole and eaten by bugs. If people are willing to donate their body to be made into a sculpture, then I see no problem with it.

Really? What difference does it make to you? I'd almost want to decompose quickly than have my cadaver hanging around indefinitely.




Mr. Pedantic

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#5 8 years ago

Better to get turned into something that will last a long time than to get thrown in a hole and eaten by bugs. If people are willing to donate their body to be made into a sculpture, then I see no problem with it.

By selling only medical experts and scientists, he is trying to prevent anything bad from happening to his creations. The price would also discourage many from buying a one his works to do anything "bad" to.

Where do the bodies come from? And are the donors or their families recompensed for this? After all, they're being sold. And as I said before, we get donors already. And over NZ$100,000 for a single body...

We care more about these people now they're dead than when they were alive. I can't help thinking this concern has things the wrong way around.

I guess. Well, 60,000 pounds is a lot of money...




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#6 8 years ago

There'd be much less concern if they were going for sixty pence down at the local market...




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#7 8 years ago

He always did say the bodies were going to be used for educational purposes. That doesn't imply they'll be intact the whole time. ;) As far as I know, everyone in von Hagens' exhibit volunteered their own bodies for him to do essentially whatever he wanted with (well... research-wise, anyway). Which more or less means they volunteered themselves to be a commodity for sale to the highest bidder. If people don't like that idea, no one's forcing them to buy the parts. If no one buys the parts it won't be an issue. My own opinion is that people shouldn't delude themselves into fretting over what will happen to their own corpses, or those of their DEAD relatives. But then people say you're insensitive, you're a monster, etc etc...




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#8 8 years ago

Accepting you're a monster is an easy way out of guilt. ;)

[SIZE="1"]Arguably replacing it with an entirely different set of problems.[/SIZE]




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#9 8 years ago

I don't really have an opinion on this, except that an archbishop has no word in this, or muslims and the church of the flying spaghetti monster should too.




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#10 8 years ago

I remember watching a series of programs with this guy not so long back, can't remember the name of it now, but was cutting people up, explaining what does what ect. One episode he cut a testicle in half to show us it's insides, what a pleasant bloke.

I think this... market of his does appear a tad dodgy, but if it is all for medical science, and the deceased have already signed to say their bodies can be used for such, then it's subsequently their decision, and they made it before they moved on.

It's not like they're being sold to just anybody, and even though I find the idea a little disgusting (what would you want one for anyway), it's his given right I guess. All I'd hope is that some of the fee goes to the families of the deceased, or to some charity, and not just him.




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