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#1 7 years ago

I wasn't going to post this here, because things tend to get...out of hand, but someone suggested I should, to get more discussion on it.

The devil in the Christian Bible fought against the oppression of people, and the suppression of knowledge. What is the point of a perfect life, without knowledge, without decisions of right and wrong? It's empty. Perhaps the devil recognized this, and that was his motivation for "tempting" Adam and Eve. God wanted to stifle knowledge, to keep people from free thought and doing their own thing. When they started getting too independent, he destroyed them. God murdered an estimated 25 million people. The devil killed 10 or so. The devil tried to feed Jesus when he was starving, but God forbade it. He tried to give him a city, but God forbade it. Satan wanted to play a game of jump-and-get-caught-by-angels, but God forbade it. God sounds like that on dad who's a over-protective jerk to the other kids, and Satan sounds like the cool dad who isn't quite sure how to handle the other dad and his approach to parenting.

For comparison, Hitler killed around 11 million people through proxy of his armies. Why is Hitler evil, but God good?




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#2 7 years ago
Obankobi;5582204For comparison, Hitler killed around 11 million people through proxy of his armies. Why is Hitler evil, but God good?

Oh it's quite simple.

Hitler didn't kill in the name of God.




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#3 7 years ago
Obankobi;5582204God sounds like that on dad who's a over-protective jerk to the other kids, and Satan sounds like the cool dad who isn't quite sure how to handle the other dad and his approach to parenting. For comparison, Hitler killed around 11 million people through proxy of his armies. Why is Hitler evil, but God good?

Because Christians don't have any concepts of good/evil/right/wrong that aren't measured in terms of obedience to God.




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#4 7 years ago

But he did say, in Mein Kampf, that he believed he was doing the lords work. I suppose he should have made that public?




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#5 7 years ago
Emperor Benedictine;5582210Because Christians don't have any concepts of good/evil/right/wrong that aren't measured in terms of obedience to God.

And there's something wrong with this? I'm not even going to touch the OP, because that's just a firestorm waiting to happen; but your post caught my attention.




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#6 7 years ago

When you say that the devil tried to open the realm of knowledge to Adam and Eve, he (devil) actually was plotting to get them exiled from heaven. That stands, as once the pair got exiled, the devil no longer came to them to open new knowledge doors to them (or humanity later after).

As for God killing 25 million people, the suggestion may be viewed from two points of view: 1- atheist's viewpoint. no God, no killings. its all a tale of the past. 2- Bible/Koran's viewpoint. God created the universe and God created the people. hence He was and is the master and owner of all. if He killed them, He killed his own creation. if you develop a software and make 1 million copies of them, and then delete them all, will you be held accountable for your action?

devil might have tried to feed Jesus or offer him a city (or whatsoever) but God forbade it because then again, Jesus was a prophet of God (or Son, as christians believe). Either way, God is once again the master of Jesus and owns him. If He forbade anything about him, He had full right and authority to do it.

Hitler killed 11 million people (is that even correct?) but he didn't own them. They were not his creations, hence he is considered a brutal criminal. On the other hand, God killed His own creation, hence He is free of any charge.




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#7 7 years ago

So if I kill my son I should be free of charge? Afterall, my wife and I created him.




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#8 7 years ago

Crap, wrong thread. Delete please. Thanks




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#9 7 years ago

Well God would probably argue ignorance is bliss. Or at least that it was bliss.

I don't think either of them come off terribly well in the abrahamic religions; at least from the perspective of humanity. They both seem to be out to screw us.

Asheekay;55822212- Bible/Koran's viewpoint. God created the universe and God created the people. hence He was and is the master and owner of all. if He killed them, He killed his own creation. if you develop a software and make 1 million copies of them, and then delete them all, will you be held accountable for your action?

If others have in any way added to the software of their own free will, then yes. It's a crime under British law to destroy a thing by removing an integral part of it. If you put your graphics card in my computer you cannot later, legally speaking, decide to remove that graphics card and leave me with a non-working computer. The same with any bit of software or art, or well anything. If by removing it you render a thing built on or around it incapable of performing its function you have committed a crime.




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#10 7 years ago
Totes McTurnerAnd there's something wrong with this? I'm not even going to touch the OP, because that's just a firestorm waiting to happen; but your post caught my attention.

Before attempting to get to grips with what's wrong with it, I would ask the question, what's right with it? Why should God be a better source of "objective" morality than Hitler? Because of his superior power or just "because", period? Either way I believe people need to understand that Christian morality is something totally alien from what a non-Christian might think of as being "good". People often ask Christians to justify what looks very much like atrocities committed by God and his followers in the Bible but the simple fact is they are crediting Christianity with an ability to question itself that does not exist. The devil is bad because God says so. God is allowed to kill more people than Hitler because God says so. Whatever God says goes - that is Christian morality in a nutshell.