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Flash525

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#1 6 years ago

Religion aside for the moment, I'm wanting to discuss the existence, or possibility of a 'God', or at the very least, the theory of such a possible existence.

Traditionally, God is depicted as a man, though that is a questionable depiction in itself. God is also depicted as divine, and as eternal. Ignoring the depiction of what God is suppose to look like (a man), I'd instead like to talk about the potential existence of such a ... creature ... one that we aren't ever likely to find actual proof of, thus this would all be theoretical.

Everything we understand (or at least, think we do) about our lives, religion, science and the universe is only such because of our current understanding and our intellectual level of intelligence.

What about all that we don't understand, or all that we don't even know about yet? What would the possibility be that a group of sentient life forms exist in such a state where time doesn't exist (thus eternal existence). Could such a God exist in a state where time does not? If not the traditional God, then something of similar importance to our very being?

I don't know exactly where I'm going with this ~ I'm probably in whey over my head, but I think it'll make for an ... interesting discussion, one that doesn't need to wont be about Religion and the Bible (ect).




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#2 6 years ago
Aerilon;5616664What about all that we don't understand, or all that we don't even know about yet? What would the possibility be that a group of sentient life forms exist in such a state where time doesn't exist (thus eternal existence). Could such a God exist in a state where time does not? If not the traditional God, then something of similar importance to our very being?

Error: Unable to occupy required epistemic state.

We think within a universe of cause and effect. Talking about what something would look like that doesn't.... I can't even imagine what that would begin to look like - the minute I start imagining it's fitted into the same framework as my thoughts.




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#3 6 years ago

I did ponder whether I was in over my head on this one. :uhm:




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#4 6 years ago

It's hard to just exclude religion completely from a discussion such as this one, since the existence of a god or gods is an issue usually reserved to religious texts and teachings.

The Judeo-Christian "God" is believed to exist outside of time. I think this is the only way a god could exist since time tends to be limiting. An all-powerful being can't logically HAVE limits, or they cease to be all-powerful. (IE God can't create a rock that he can't lift.)

If a god were to exist within the restrictions of time, then one would have to wonder how he could have existed forever within that restriction. All things within time have a beginning, do they not? And don't all things with a beginning, have an end? All things that we know of anyways.




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#5 6 years ago
nazoa93;5616701The Judeo-Christian "God" is believed to exist outside of time. I think this is the only way a god could exist since time tends to be limiting. An all-powerful being can't logically HAVE limits, or they cease to be all-powerful. (IE God can't create a rock that he can't lift.)

This would then be a limit to what God is able to create...




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#6 6 years ago
Emperor Benedictine;5616706This would then be a limit to what God is able to create...

The difference is that it is a limit created by being omnipotent, rather than a restriction on the power itself.

Such characteristics of an all-powerful being are often incomprehensible for obvious reasons.




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#7 6 years ago
nazoa93;5616712The difference is that it is a limit created by being omnipotent, rather than a restriction on the power itself. Such characteristics of an all-powerful being are often incomprehensible for obvious reasons.

It's not just incomprehensible, but logically paradoxical, to talk about a limit created by having no limits.




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#8 6 years ago
Emperor Benedictine;5616716It's not just incomprehensible, but logically paradoxical, to talk about a limit created by having no limits.

Semantics. If logic cannot reason something, it is by nature incomprehensible.




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#9 6 years ago
nazoa93;5616719Semantics. If logic cannot reason something, it is by nature incomprehensible.

But not everything incomprehensible is self-contradictory. Regardless, if you want to make incomprehensible statements, then go ahead. But bear in mind that by nature they have no descriptive or persuasive power whatsoever; saying "God is limited by his lack of limits" is simply a set of words that make no sense when placed together.




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#10 6 years ago

nazoa93;5616701It's hard to just exclude religion completely from a discussion such as this one, since the existence of a god or gods is an issue usually reserved to religious texts and teachings.[/quote]If this is the case for you, then don't think this subject about God in the traditional sense, but instead, in the sense that there might be some entity / life form out there as described above.

[QUOTE=nazoa93;5616701]All things within time have a beginning, do they not? And don't all things with a beginning, have an end? All things that we know of anyways.

As highlighted. Time is a mere perception for our understanding, or rather, our perception of time is anyway. We don't know that everything that has a beginning must have an end, we only assume such because we know no different.