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Asheekay

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#11 7 years ago

Emperor BenedictineRegardless, if you want to make incomprehensible statements, then go ahead. But bear in mind that by nature they have no descriptive or persuasive power whatsoever; saying "God is limited by his lack of limits" is simply a set of words that make no sense when placed together.[/QUOTE]

So you mean to say that it could be possible that God (if He exists) can create something which surpasses His own abilities?

[QUOTE=Vice Admiral Riles[/QUOTE]We don't know that everything that has a beginning must have an end, we only assume such because we know no different.

So there's a chance that our knowledge could be limited and something with a beginning could be without an end. Right?

Have you ever used the same limitation of knowledge opinion about existence of God too? That since YOU haven't experienced God yet does not mean there's no God at all and other people could have had experienced Him?

Oh wait! Try and make a quick, smart, elusive refusal of your statement and start defining gray zones now. The spellings of "double standards" aren't so hard anyway ...




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#12 7 years ago
Asheekay;5617956So you mean to say that it could be possible that God (if He exists) can create something which surpasses His own abilities?

I mean that it makes no sense to say "God cannot be limited, therefore he can have limits". It is clearly a nonsense statement. Only if God was not all-powerful would it make sense to think he could create something surpassing his own abilities.




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#13 7 years ago

Emperor Benedictine;5617985I mean that it makes no sense to say "God cannot be limited, therefore he can have limits". It is clearly a nonsense statement. Only if God was not all-powerful would it make sense to think he could create something surpassing his own abilities.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps my wording was poor at the time. I was trying to say that an all powerful being couldn't be restricted by something such as time, or else they cease to be all-powerful. From there I believed you were disputing the concept of an all-powerful being having limits at all, and the underlying contradiction there. It appears it boils down to my very poor choice of words. My apologies.

[QUOTE=Asheekay;5617956]So you mean to say that it could be possible that God (if He exists) can create something which surpasses His own abilities?

We don't know that everything that has a beginning must have an end, we only assume such because we know no different.

So there's a chance that our knowledge could be limited and something with a beginning could be without an end. Right?

Have you ever used the same limitation of knowledge opinion about existence of God too? That since YOU haven't experienced God yet does not mean there's no God at all and other people could have had experienced Him?

Oh wait! Try and make a quick, smart, elusive refusal of your statement and start defining gray zones now. The spellings of "double standards" aren't so hard anyway ...

Your point is valid, but unnecessary, it seems like you're trying to make an argument out of nothing.




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#14 7 years ago

Asheekay;5617956So there's a chance that our knowledge could be limited and something with a beginning could be without an end. Right?[/quote]Yes and No.

From our perspective, something that has a beginning must have an end. We believe this way because we generally know no different. Throughout daily life we see things born, we see things grow, and we see things die. It's normal to us.

From beyond our perspective however, just because we think something with a beginning has an end, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is the case. God (providing existence) could have had a start that doesn't have an end, or, God could simply 'be', in the sense that he never had a start, nor will there ever be an end to him.

Asheekay;5617956Have you ever used the same limitation of knowledge opinion about existence of God too? That since YOU haven't experienced God yet does not mean there's no God at all and other people could have had experienced Him?

There is one very important thing you seem to have missed here. I have never stated anywhere in this thread that I believe any of this to be real. It's all speculation. In respect to God, then you can (or even I can) speculate that he could exist in the sense that I've detailed in the initial post, but it is still speculation; none of which I currently believe in.

[QUOTE=Asheekay;5617956]Oh wait! Try and make a quick, smart, elusive refusal of your statement and start defining gray zones now. The spellings of "double standards" aren't so hard anyway ...

Grow up?




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#15 7 years ago

The proof of the existence of a God being wouldnt change my life at all. Such a being would have already been proven to have been ill suited to the job of governing a universe, i wouldnt worship or venerate it anyway




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#16 7 years ago
Roaming East;5619300Such a being would have already been proven to have been ill suited to the job of governing a universe, i wouldnt worship or venerate it anyway

Am curious, but why do you say that?




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#17 7 years ago

George Carlin - Religion is bullshit. - YouTube

That.


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#18 7 years ago

It would appear God has abandoned us. But fear not, it is our Creator, and it has love for us like a drunken father.




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#19 7 years ago

computernerd;5619938George Carlin - Religion is bullshit. - YouTube

That.

As humorous as that video is, this subject isn't specifically about the traditional 'God'. We're thinking (or at least aiming to think) outside the box here; such a box that doesn't have room for biblical writings.




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#20 7 years ago
Aerilon;5619935Am curious, but why do you say that?

Have you seen our little patch of the universe lately? Does it look like there's some sort of perfect divine plan in action?