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Flash525

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#21 7 years ago
Crazy Wolf;5620034Have you seen our little patch of the universe lately? Does it look like there's some sort of perfect divine plan in action?

How do you know there was ever suppose to be a perfect divine plan of action?




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#22 7 years ago

Generally those that propose that there's a God also propose that He's (it's pretty much always a He) omnipotent, omniscient, and good. Bad things happen, which tend to demonstrate a lack of His omnipotence, omniscience, or goodness.




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#23 7 years ago

It's entirely possible RE just meant god would be too much of an arsehole to be worth worshipping. That's how I read it anyway.




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#24 7 years ago
Aerilon;5619935Am curious, but why do you say that?

Its simple logic based off of the theory of evil. If an all powerful God is both benevolent, and good. Evil would not exist. Evil exist so either that God is NOT benevolent or that God is not all powerful.

Either of the above would warrant a being not worthy of worship.




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#25 7 years ago
Crazy Wolf;5620047Generally those that propose that there's a God also propose that He's (it's pretty much always a He) omnipotent, omniscient, and good. Bad things happen, which tend to demonstrate a lack of His omnipotence, omniscience, or goodness.

Roaming East;5620239Its simple logic based off of the theory of evil. If an all powerful God is both benevolent, and good. Evil would not exist. Evil exist so either that God is NOT benevolent or that God is not all powerful.[/quote][/QUOTE]Unless you would have people believe that God decides our ever move, our every thought, our every action, then God would otherwise be omnipotence, omniscience, and good. It would be humanity that is bad.

In an even grander scale of the universe (one that is probably beyond our comprehension) what we deem as good and bad may be different to what a God deems to be good and bad. The ideas of both Good and Bad are merely our perception of an event or act. [QUOTE=Nemmerle;5620050]It's entirely possible RE just meant god would be too much of an arsehole to be worth worshipping. That's how I read it anyway.

I think Religious Education (or Religious Studies as it were) is wrong to teach in schools. It wouldn't be so bad if it covered Religion as a whole, maybe in some countries it does, but when I went to school, it was only ever Christianity. That's a bit one-sided.

[QUOTE=Roaming East;5620239]Either of the above would warrant a being not worthy of worship.

The Devil is suppose to be evil, there are Devil worshippers.

Anyway, I think we're getting a little too much into Religion here, rather than something with God-like abilities that would otherwise exist in a God-like state.




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#26 7 years ago

God does decide our every move. its supposedly written in his all knowing book. See thats the problem with God as a deity. His adherents affix too many powers as it were to him but doing so comes with the requisite penalties. You cant have a God who knows the entire plan of your life before you are even born, yet also claim that free will is a factor.

Ultimately, the best you can hope for is that God is an aloof father figure who created a bunch of shiat but otherwise doesnt care and that what you do in life is totally up to you and that any attempt at seeking favor one way or the other is ultimately futile because God is above petty mortal concerns. Unless Gods ultimate plan is the perpetuation of human misery in an attempt to goad us into some kind of spiritual revelation. at which point he goes from merely aloof, to outright antagonistic.




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#27 7 years ago

Roaming East;5620319God does decide our every move.[/quote]If this truly were true, then God has already decided that a fair number of the human population wont believe in him in the year 2012.

If God truly did control everything (which I don't think he would ever do for a moment) then he'd know all the outcomes, and he wouldn't have created a creation that didn't believe in everything he was teaching. If we're not living off free will, then our paths have already been laid out for us, and our lives would be nothing short of an experiment.

[QUOTE=Roaming East;5620319]You cant have a God who knows the entire plan of your life before you are even born, yet also claim that free will is a factor.

Hmm... I think you could (as much as the purpose would be defeated). You could write a computer program telling it exactly what you wanted to do, and it wouldn't falter, not until you told it to stop, or until you changed the code. You know what that program is going to do ~ you designed and implemented it.

If we're some creation of grand design, then the same principle would apply. The Universe and everything in it would have been designed to work a certain way, and we're just the puppets playing a role of which we'd have no knowledge of doing.




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#28 7 years ago

It's all very convoluted and confusing. Trust me, I've studied the Bible for 12 years =p

But speaking of the idea of certain people believing while others don't is sort of mentioned in the Bible. The 144,000 is alluded to and Biblical, but mostly Mormon, scholars believe that is about the few people who will be saved during the end times before Jesus returns.


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#29 7 years ago
Aerilon;5620447Hmm... I think you could (as much as the purpose would be defeated). You could write a computer program telling it exactly what you wanted to do, and it wouldn't falter, not until you told it to stop, or until you changed the code. You know what that program is going to do ~ you designed and implemented it.

But the point is that it wouldn't have free will. If you programmed it to behave a certain way then you would be dictating all of its actions.




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#30 7 years ago

computernerd;5620452It's all very convoluted and confusing. Trust me, I've studied the Bible for 12 years.[/quote]I haven't studied much of the bible at all, yet I know it's convoluted and confusing. ;)

computernerd;5620452But speaking of the idea of certain people believing while others don't is sort of mentioned in the Bible. The 144,000 is alluded to and Biblical, but mostly Mormon, scholars believe that is about the few people who will be saved during the end times before Jesus returns.

By that, only 144,000 people should believe, whilst the others shouldn't? Considering how many people have come and gone on this earth, and those who are to come, the 144,000 have probably come and gone.

[QUOTE=Emperor Benedictine;5620495]But the point is that it wouldn't have free will. If you programmed it to behave a certain way then you would be dictating all of its actions.

Again, you assume free will is true. For all we know, we're programmed to think we're thinking for ourselves, when in actuality, we're not, we're just following the designs of our creation.