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#1 8 years ago

A few weeks ago, even before the failed Yemen parcel-bomb plot, there were some hints about a possible attack on Germany. Apparently some new information surfaced that hints at a possible "Mumbai style" attack by Pakistani and Indian citizens. The terrorists obtained Schengen-Visas (a type of visa that allows entry to various European nations) and can therefore enter Germany indirectly over a neighbouring country. BBC News - Germany tightens airport security over attacks threat

There have been some smaller terror plans in Germany and some 9/11 terrorists lived in Germany for a while, but this seems to be the first serious plan for a big attack. Makes you wonder why the terrorists figure, all of a sudden, that this would be a better target. Germany's involvement in Afghanistan was smaller than that of many other nations and the involvement in Iraq was almost nonexistant. Many citizens are critical of the Afghanistan mission due to the bad planning and lack of results. However, if there is a big attack on Germany now this might change. I think the (conservative) German government, which doesn't exactly perform very well internally either, would profit a lot from any attack if they play their cards right.

It is also interesting that this is the second big thing so soon after the parcel bomb plot. What does it mean if Al Quaeda is redoubling their efforts? Are they close to being beaten and need a win? Or did they finish repositioning and are stronger than ever?




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#2 8 years ago

Personally, I don't think it's going to matter to Terrorists which country they bomb. Why would they case? They're just out to cause terror. Chances are they're currently thinking along the lines of 'lets eliminate the smaller threats' rather than to go after the US and UK.

Has to be some logic in there, right? I mean you don't go and kill people (along with yourself) for an illogical reason. :uhm:




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#3 8 years ago

even though it is the second biggest economy in the west (i'm not counting japan, as japanese foreign policy is minimalist and limited to diplomacy and defence), it's hardly a target that makes sense. As a nation, since world war 2, Germany has hardly modelled itself on the "imperialism" of the west, or its previous incarnations. the UK and USA make sense as targets, they are the 2 most prominent nations in the war on terror. Germany is one of the least prominent. that said, Spain is hardly a prominent member of the war on terror, and the madrid train bombings are one of the worst terrorist attacks ever.

Something makes me think that terrorists are thinking it's too difficult to successfully carry out a terrorist attack on the UK or USA now, and are resorting to nations of lesser involvement in their plans. the only thing we can do is contain terrorism through security, and it appears that may be working. for every attempted terrorist plot we foil, we learn something and are able to use that to improve security. it's the only way. fighting them only indoctrinates more.




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#4 8 years ago

Islamist goals are shifting, its not about defending anything or "getting back at the oppressor", thats just lies to justify themselves, they simply hate western society on a whole, want to see it destroyed, do you think if suddenly America and Uk pulled out completely of all Muslim nations it would stop?, they'd find something else, their out for blood, they use national struggles as an excuse, but scratch the surface and what they really want is an Islamic world.




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#5 8 years ago
Never Surrender;5425196Islamist goals are shifting, its not about defending anything or "getting back at the oppressor", thats just lies to justify themselves, they simply hate western society on a whole, want to see it destroyed, do you think if suddenly America and Uk pulled out completely of all Muslim nations it would stop?, they'd find something else, their out for blood, they use national struggles as an excuse, but scratch the surface and what they really want is an Islamic world.

isn't that how it always was with jihad? ever since 1979 when ayatollah khomenei described the USA as the "great satan", the west has been the target. it's not about defence. it's fundamentalist muslims trying to monopolise their hold on power in nations. it's happened in iran, it's happened in syria, it's rapidly happening in Pakistan, lebanon, somalia and Yemen. Debatably, it's already happened in these places.

i'm not saying pulling out would change anything, but maybe it would help to give muslims one less thing to hate about us if we were to end our war on terror which has accomplished nothing. terrorism is just as prominent as in 2001, if not moreso.

it's against every ideology i follow to generalise a religion, and as a result, i refuse to treat all muslims as jihadists. if they were, the west would be screwed. luckily, it's a small minority who unfortunately hold vast power over these regions.




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#6 8 years ago
Keyser_Soze;5425198isn't that how it always was with jihad? ever since 1979 when ayatollah khomenei described the USA as the "great satan", the west has been the target. it's not about defence. it's fundamentalist muslims trying to monopolise their hold on power in nations. it's happened in iran, it's happened in syria, it's rapidly happening in Pakistan, lebanon, somalia and Yemen. Debatably, it's already happened in these places. i'm not saying pulling out would change anything, but maybe it would help to give muslims one less thing to hate about us if we were to end our war on terror which has accomplished nothing. terrorism is just as prominent as in 2001, if not moreso. it's against every ideology i follow to generalise a religion, and as a result, i refuse to treat all muslims as jihadists. if they were, the west would be screwed. luckily, it's a small minority who unfortunately hold vast power over these regions.

If we pulled out, they're prehaps get worse, it boosts their moral, they give the victory to "Allah", just like when the soviets pulled out of Afghanistan. They'd prehaps accelerate attacks thinking they will be victorious and the west will fall. Well I think we should just give the Muslims the answer they want, "If we Go, We go down fighting!"




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#7 8 years ago

to eliminate the problem through military means, genocide would be required, and that's impossible when there's a billion of them, spread out primarily throughout the most sparsely populated areas of the world. you seem to be promoting world war 3. that won't end like the first 2 when we're up against not a small european nation, we're up against half the world.

if it boosts their morale, they'd get cocky. they'd lose.

i'm not saying we need to pull out of afghanistan instantly. that wouldn't end well and would inevitably make it the terrorist state it was once more, but we need to get towards the stage we're at with Iraq now. we've had almost 10 years, the government needs to be strengthened. they can't rely on us, we're not doing a great job, the government knows its people, and can take on this thing from more levels than us. many of the west's senior generals, including David Petraeus, acknowledge that an ideology can not be destroyed, only contained. it requires the will of the people for an ideology to disappear. by the end of world war II, nobody wanted nazism. nazism was an elitist dictatorship. same with communism. Fundamentalist islam is not elitist, it's what americans would describe as "grassroots". that sort of ideology can not be destroyed through force.




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#8 8 years ago
Never Surrender;5425201If we pulled out, they're prehaps get worse, it boosts their moral, they give the victory to "Allah", just like when the soviets pulled out of Afghanistan. They'd prehaps accelerate attacks thinking they will be victorious and the west will fall. Well I think we should just give the Muslims the answer they want, "If we Go, We go down fighting!"

People like you feed them. Yeah, go ahead, treat all Muslims like scum. Then ask yourself why the radicals are fiercely against you. In fact, they use this stupid reason, which is treating all muslims like shit, to feed their propaganda. They show people like you to other naive and stupid muslims to recruit them. It's a vicious circle.

Now for me; if you pulled your troops back, it wouldn't be a victory to God, it'd actually be the Coalition Army failing it's objectives. I won't mind it if they do, the world is fucked up anyway.

and FYI, it's not "prehaps", it's "perhaps"




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#9 8 years ago

Perhaps its them constantly attacking us that turns people "like me". Its not just today, they've been doing it since they came around 1400 years ago. Also I dont treat them all like scum, I treat the braindead, violent Islamists as scum. Let the recruit people, they're bloody idiots if they're recruited anyway, look at the Church Siege and morter attacks in Baghdad, you dont see Christians joining some worldwide "Crusade" Movement to retaliate, what about those women kept prisoner for becoming Chrisitans in Iran, what about the Coptic Christians gunned down on Christmas day! How can they use that as an excuse, because if thats an excuse, Christians can resort to terrorism and use exactly the same excuse, the excuse of Muslims treating them all the same and as a threat. Many people better get ready to see Hell, because that is their destination, all tohse against us, may God strike them down, his is the power, not mine! thanks for the spelling advice, oh and "Islamists" are "Islamic fundamentalists", Islamism is the term for that where I live.




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#10 8 years ago
Alakazam;5425192Personally, I don't think it's going to matter to Terrorists which country they bomb. Why would they case? They're just out to cause terror. Chances are they're currently thinking along the lines of 'lets eliminate the smaller threats' rather than to go after the US and UK.

Well not really... Terrorists do fight for a cause you know? Here is a basic definition:

Terrorism: the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear

They do fight for something, just as we do. So if they go and bomb a bus with two people on it, what good is that doing for them? Talking about the al-Qaeda by the way. Unless that bus has some important person, not two randoms on it, then they wasted their time.