Never Surrender;5425548Perhaps its them constantly attacking us that turns people "like me".
Then you've said it yourself. You're no better than them.
Its not just today, they've been doing it since they came around 1400 years ago.
And by "they", who do you mean ? I didn't know that the Islamic Empires between 622 and 1923 were that evil. In fact, I even thought that people were allowed to practice their religion during the first Islamic empire, the one that Muhammad was leading, and that they even held commerces with them. It was the same case during the Ottoman Empire, where Christians lived between Muslims all over Anatolia ...
Also I dont treat them all like scum, I treat the braindead, violent Islamists as scum.
Well I think we should just give the Muslims the answer they want, "If we Go, We go down fighting!"
I thought you meant the "Islamists" only...
Let the recruit people, they're bloody idiots if they're recruited anyway, look at the Church Siege and morter attacks in Baghdad, you dont see Christians joining some worldwide "Crusade" Movement to retaliate, what about those women kept prisoner for becoming Chrisitans in Iran, what about the Coptic Christians gunned down on Christmas day!
Shall I sum you all the other things that were done to them ? To begin with the invasion of Irak followed by Fallujah followed by the destruction of numerous houses followed by the amount of civilian muslim death And I'm not counting Afghanistan, Bosniak War, the Maghreb, Palestina, etc ...
You may find these "lame", but these are enough reasons for people to join religious extremists. Especially if one of them is a victim.
How can they use that as an excuse, because if thats an excuse, Christians can resort to terrorism and use exactly the same excuse, the excuse of Muslims treating them all the same and as a threat.
Do it, and you'll be no different than those Islamic extremist nutheads. And you'll keep the circle turning too
Many people better get ready to see Hell, because that is their destination, all tohse against us, may God strike them down, his is the power, not mine!
That is EXACTLY what they say ...
thanks for the spelling advice, oh and "Islamists" are "Islamic fundamentalists", Islamism is the term for that where I live.
Where I live, we call them "Islamic extremists". What you're using is called "Totum pro parte". You're using the name of the whole organization or religion for one part. Which isn't really good, tho ...
Listen, you can insult ALL of the religious extremists of Islam, from al-Qaida to al-Shabaab, I don't give a monkey ass about them. As long as you keep your tongue off Islam, and "people like me", then I'll respect you. I'm not insulting Christians in a whole, am I ? I'm not calling every Christian a pedophile because of the scandal in Belgium. I'm not calling every Jew a Zionist because of Israel.
Embee, Your just jumping to the defense all the time, being against the extremists you feel threatened and feel the need to challenge me, yet then state how you're all not extremist, yet you feel uneasy about people against extremism. But then again, I should have expected it, all Crucifiction denyers walk the same turf at the end of the day, we all know what side they will choose in the end and it wont be on my side. Theres always excuses and "understanding".. But understanding these people is like trying to understand a psychopath out to kill you. Years of Secularisation and Multiculturalism have led to this weakness of the west, not that im so bothered about the concept of Nations, I mean, most people in the west deserve this new punishment for their rejection of the light, their concepts of Nationalism, secularism, socialism and humanism will lead to their destruction. As for your comments about the Ottoman Empire, tell that to the Armenians, Assyrians and people of the Balkans, the Ottomans were known as cruel oppressors, theres still bad blood over it today. But you carry on believing your sugar-coated version
MrFancypants;5425191A few weeks ago, even before the failed Yemen parcel-bomb plot, there were some hints about a possible attack on Germany. Apparently some new information surfaced that hints at a possible "Mumbai style" attack by Pakistani and Indian citizens. The terrorists obtained Schengen-Visas (a type of visa that allows entry to various European nations) and can therefore enter Germany indirectly over a neighbouring country. BBC News - Germany tightens airport security over attacks threat
There have been some smaller terror plans in Germany and some 9/11 terrorists lived in Germany for a while, but this seems to be the first serious plan for a big attack. Makes you wonder why the terrorists figure, all of a sudden, that this would be a better target. Germany's involvement in Afghanistan was smaller than that of many other nations and the involvement in Iraq was almost nonexistant. Many citizens are critical of the Afghanistan mission due to the bad planning and lack of results. However, if there is a big attack on Germany now this might change. I think the (conservative) German government, which doesn't exactly perform very well internally either, would profit a lot from any attack if they play their cards right.
It is also interesting that this is the second big thing so soon after the parcel bomb plot. What does it mean if Al Qaeda is redoubling their efforts? Are they close to being beaten and need a win? Or did they finish repositioning and are stronger than ever?[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, "Al Quadea" is impossible to "beat". I say that, because it's a bunch of people, most of who are not in contact with each other in the first place. Membership can be gained simply by making something that might explode and either detonating it, or getting caught constructing it.
Terrorism in it's current form will continue for as long as newspapers/TV cover it.
[QUOTE=Schofield;5425555]They do fight for something, just as we do. So if they go and bomb a bus with two people on it, what good is that doing for them? Talking about the al-Qaeda by the way. Unless that bus has some important person, not two randoms on it, then they wasted their time.
Terrorism is not something new, in the UK we recently celebrated the 405th anniversary of a religious nutter attempting to blow Parliament up with gunpowder. Bonfires were lit in celebration, and the only official response was to encourage people to celebrate the occasion every year. To this day Bonfires are lit on the 5th of November and effigies of the main conspirator (Guy Fawkes) are burnt on the bonfire, followed by a firework display.
These days, when terrorists crawl out of the woodwork and kill or injure a handful of people the media goes into a hysterical frenzy and the relevant national legislature introduces legislation allowing things like detention without trial, unlimited tapping of phones etc.
Meanwhile, the population of every? country on earth is willing to accept hundreds of times more fatalities than are caused by terrorism each year by allowing people to own and use cars. I'll start worrying about terrorism when nutjobs kills more people than die in accidents on the roads every year. I know which i'm more worried about at the moment, and it's not terrorism!
Personally, I think the 1605 response to terrorism is a lot better than the 21st century's response.
Well, it looks like the American propaganda effort worked perfectly - now everybody, even outside the USA, seems to think that "the terrorists" are some huge, coordinated military organization.
In reality, it's extremely unlikely that these various incidents are being directed by Cobra Commander or Mr. Blofeld (From James Bond). The Pentagon claims that Al Quaeda is orchestrating the insurgency in Afghanistan. This claim of course makes no sense, because the DoD estimates that there are less than 100 Al Quaeda operatives in the whole country - just a bunch of Pashto tribesmen who are pissed off because we're burning their Poppy crops.
Crusader;5425201If we pulled out, they're prehaps get worse, it boosts their moral, they give the victory to "Allah", just like when the soviets pulled out of Afghanistan. They'd prehaps accelerate attacks thinking they will be victorious and the west will fall. Well I think we should just give the Muslims the answer they want, "If we Go, We go down fighting!"[/QUOTE] I don't think so. The presence of Christian troops in that area is one of the main recruiting methods for terrorist organizations. Once that factor is gone all they can do is use the life style or the Israeli conflict and I doubt that this will work as well.
[QUOTE=Freyr;5425613]In my opinion, "Al Quadea" is impossible to "beat". I say that, because it's a bunch of people, most of who are not in contact with each other in the first place. Membership can be gained simply by making something that might explode and either detonating it, or getting caught constructing it.
Terrorism in it's current form will continue for as long as newspapers/TV cover it.
Good points, I'm not sure though whether it is impossible to defeat terrorists. Germany had to deal with (communist) terrorists (RAF) for quite a while. Eventually the terrorists gave up because they didn't get anywhere with their attacks and because Germany kept arresting and killing them.
Same is true for Ireland and the IRA - even though the organization was never destroyed they eventually stopped bombing. Or look at the Tamil Tigers.
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Bohemund;5425684In reality, it's extremely unlikely that these various incidents are being directed by Cobra Commander or Mr. Blofeld (From James Bond).
Sure, that's what they want you to think :rolleyes:
Good points, I'm not sure though whether it is impossible to defeat terrorists. Germany had to deal with (communist) terrorists (RAF) for quite a while. Eventually the terrorists gave up because they didn't get anywhere with their attacks and because Germany kept arresting and killing them. Same is true for Ireland and the IRA - even though the organization was never destroyed they eventually stopped bombing. Or look at the Tamil Tigers.
Terrorism/terrorist groups ultimately cannot be defeated because it's mostly based on ideology or personal/political gain; it's not an organization, which is why the whole concept of a 'Global War on Terror' is ridiculous and a waste of time and resources.
"I'd shush her zephyr." ~ Zephyr.
MrFancypants;5425777 Good points, I'm not sure though whether it is impossible to defeat terrorists. Germany had to deal with (communist) terrorists (RAF) for quite a while. Eventually the terrorists gave up because they didn't get anywhere with their attacks and because Germany kept arresting and killing them.
"Defeating" terrorists is a matter of separating them from people who will shelter or support them and restricting the recruitment of new staff so they eventually run out of staff when existing people are detained or killed in suicide bombings.
It can be done, but when their target is our culture and they are constantly receiving a stream of recruitable people from abroad via migration who aren't assimilating into our society then that makes things... difficult, to say the least.
An update I just read about: Germany sounds terror alarms over suspicious bag in Namibia airport - CSMonitor.com
Hours after Germany got word of a looming terror attack, airport police in Namibia discovered a suitcase with batteries, wires, and a ticking clock apparently headed to Munich.
But the suitcase lacked something essential: explosives.
Some suggest, it could be a dry run, or just an asshole trying to be funny.
Well there is a lot of media attention in Germany about this topic now. Today I watched an interesting TV program about a German Muslim and a former Islamist. It was interesting because this Muslim is one of those moderate Imams who try to convince other Muslims that a violent interpretation of the Quran doesn't make a lot of sense. According to him the real threat are converts as they are vulnerable to propaganda from Islamists who only teach the most violent interpretations of Islam.
Another interesting point was the estimate that more than a hundred Germans are now in Pakistan, either to train in terror camps or as relatives of people who train in such camps.
Sure, that's what they want you to think:rolleyes:
Then why is it every attack, in Iraq and elsewhere, is blamed on "Al Quaeda"? Just because the terrorists in that particular incident were brown and spoke a funny language doesn't make them Al Queada.