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#11 14 years ago
WiseBoboThe Middle Ground is not always correct.

Like someone above me said, neither is the left or right. That is why I choose to try to look at each in an unbiased manner. What makes your beliefs any more right than someone from the left side of the spectrum?




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#12 14 years ago
RHSRunner88Like someone above me said, neither is the left or right. That is why I choose to try to look at each in an unbiased manner. What makes your beliefs any more right than someone from the left side of the spectrum?

You do not understand logic.

Fallacy: Middle Ground

Also Known as: Golden Mean Fallacy, Fallacy of Moderation

Description of Middle Ground

This fallacy is committed when it is assumed that the middle position between two extremes must be correct simply because it is the middle position. this sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
  1. Position A and B are two extreme positions.
  2. C is a position that rests in the middle between A and B.
  3. Therefore C is the correct position.

This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because it does not follow that a position is correct just because it lies in the middle of two extremes. This is shown by the following example. Suppose that a person is selling his computer. He wants to sell it for the current market value, which is $800 and someone offers him $1 for it. It would hardly follow that $400.50 is the proper price. This fallacy draws its power from the fact that a moderate or middle position is often the correct one. For example, a moderate amount of exercise is better than too much exercise or too little exercise. However, this is not simply because it lies in the middle ground between two extremes. It is because too much exercise is harmful and too little exercise is all but useless. The basic idea behind many cases in which moderation is correct is that the extremes are typically "too much" and "not enough" and the middle position is "enough." In such cases the middle position is correct almost by definition. It should be kept in mind that while uncritically assuming that the middle position must be correct because it is the middle position is poor reasoning it does not follow that accepting a middle position is always fallacious. As was just mentioned, many times a moderate position is correct. However, the claim that the moderate or middle position is correct must be supported by legitimate reasoning.

Examples of Middle Ground

  1. Some people claim that God is all powerful, all knowing, and all good. Other people claim that God does not exist at all. Now, it seems reasonable to accept a position somewhere in the middle. So, it is likely that God exists, but that he is only very powerful, very knowing, and very good. That seems right to me.
  2. Congressman Jones has proposed cutting welfare payments by 50% while Congresswoman Shender has proposed increasing welfare payments by 10% to keep up with inflation and cost of living increases. I think that the best proposal is the one made by Congressman Trumple. He says that a 30% decrease in welfare payments is a good middle ground, so I think that is what we should support.
  3. A month ago, a tree in Bill's yard was damaged in a storm. His neighbor, Joe, asked him to have the tree cut down so it would not fall on Joes new shed. Bill refused to do this. Two days ago another storm blew the tree onto Joe's new shed. Joe demanded that Joe pay the cost of repairs, which was $250. Bill said that he wasn't going to pay a cent. Obviously, the best solution is to reach a compromise between the two extremes, so Bill should pay Joe $125 dollars.



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#13 14 years ago
WiseBoboThe Middle Ground is not always correct.

It may be right to you, but wrong to someone else.

I could be concidered on the middle, but leaning to the left. I concider my self a republican though:uhm:. I don't care about weed, abortion is never necessary, I am for the war in Iraq, gay should be allowed to marry, I am ok with the goverment watching me, and I relly don't care about what kiddies do in bed as long as they don't abort a kid.

I have been all over though, I was against gays, but now I say just leave them alone, I was opposed to kiddies getting into bed, I don't care now. You don't have to follow all the beliefs of one party if you are member of it;).

If you want to find where you stand click me.

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#14 14 years ago
PethegreatIt may be right to you, but wrong to someone else.

No, what is right is right, regardless of human opinion.

Objective Morality is far superior than the relativism we allow ourselves to fall for in the name of culture/race/ethnicity.




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#15 14 years ago

My results in the test Pethegreat posted a post back:

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I think this is about spot on. I don't give two craps about what anyone does in the privacy of their own homes. I believe that you shouldn't give up rights for security. I'm support people who think differently (because diversity is a great thing). I am strongly again monopolys.

Heh, on that graph I am a lightyear away from where George W. Bush scored.

WiseBoboNo, what is right is right, regardless of human opinion.

Thats insane (in my opinion, heh). There are thousands of cultures around the world with different views on what is right and wrong. Who can say one of them is better than another?




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#16 14 years ago

In a relativist society, it is okay to beat women and children between cultures merely because of difference in geographical location. I find that to be bullshit, and that is simply why I do not accept relativist ethics.




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#17 14 years ago

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