The North Korean Situation 21 replies

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#1 1 year ago

This is some complicated stuff. Earlier this year, Kim Jong-nam, the half-brother of Kim Jong-un, was assassinated. Since then, North Korea has shown signs of increased militarisation and hostility towards not just the western world, but the rest of Asia. 

In spite of warnings from South Korea, the United States, and allies, the North Korean state continues to test nuclear devices and missile systems, having threatened with "nuclear war" should the United States try to stop them.

This has not kept Donald Trump from apparently discussing the possibilities of an all-out war against the North Korean state.

What do you think? Could Donald Trump actually be mad enough to start a war with North Korea, and what about China? Would China be involved? 




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#2 1 year ago

I would never trust Trump to begin with. In any case, Trump would not dare to make an enemy of China because he is a Capitalist. That means he knows perfectly well that paying Chinese children a dollar a day is better for PROFIT than paying an honest American an honest wage, health insurance, retirement, and other such Socialist things that have no place in America.

China also makes all the computers, so all the factories that has completely replaced humans with robots will last longer. Even still, they will only last until the robots start breaking down. With no more computers, America will have no other choice but to start hiring human workers again.

If Trump goes to war with China, than America has no more Chinese children to make everything. As such, America would have no choice but to move all their production to Mexico. Mexican production is lower quality, more of a hit or miss situation, but at least you can still pay Mexicans a Dollar a day.

As for China: 1: No one can attack China because they make everything. If you make an enemy of China, you will no longer have anything. Good luck living in the stone age without all your modern things like clothing and microwaves.

2: China cannot attack anyone BECAUSE China makes everything. If China makes an enemy, that nation will no longer buy anything from China, the financial income of which being the only reason China still exists. With no one to buy their stuff, China will bankrupt within a few short years.

TL;DR version. America would not DARE go to war with China.


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#3 1 year ago

This is not about China though.  This is about North Korea.  I don't know if China wants to hang with NK with the way they are acting.

And I don't trust Trump to not go to war with North Korea.  He hasn't shown any restraint with his insane policies, so I don't know if his ego will get the best of him and he'll glass NK and start World War 3.




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#4 1 year ago

North Korea likes to make a bit of trouble every once in a while to extort some help from other countries. They are very unstable and you never know whether they mean it, which makes the extortion scheme profitable. Also, noone really wants war with them as they can do so much damage to South Korea even without nukes. China and Russia are concerned about the stream of refugees from the North that would result in a prolonged war.

On the other hand, the situation is not going to improve. NK will continue to build nukes and develop better missiles while their economy keeps going down the drain. The regime is probably the most cruel on this planet in quite a while, with some of the things going on in NK camps resembling atrocities from WW2. So taking them out would be a good thing. But it would require a surprise attack coordinated by Japan, the ROK with tacit approval of Russia and China. So rather unlikely to happen.




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#5 1 year ago

Eliminating the Kim regime would be great, but I'm sure there are loads of consequences for that, and we'd have to spend a long time rebuilding NK and ensuring it doesn't go back to an authoritarian hellhole or worse or that terrorist groups don't spring up there that could get an NK atom bomb and do some damage.  All of this assumes we can even overthrow NK.




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#6 1 year ago

It would appear the situation is escalating. The White House has summoned the entire senate to the White House on Wednesday. Tillerson, Mattis, Coats, and Dunford will be spearheading the meeting. According to the aides, a similar briefing should occur for the House of Representatives soon as well.




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#7 1 year ago

The difficulty with brinkmanship is you have to keep raising the stakes. You make a threat, you don't action the threat, and next time you have to make a bigger threat - otherwise you won't be believed. Simultaneously, if you respond to blackmail - which is essentially what this is - you just teach the other person that blackmail works, you encourage them to threaten you more. It goes right up to the line and then someone has to back down.

The situation is only likely to deteriorate. They've developed nuclear weapons, they're doubtless in the process of miniaturising those weapons for use on ICBMs, and their rocketry is becoming increasingly worrisome. We need to end the situation whilst we maintain the military edge to end it with at an acceptable cost. The longer we wait the greater that cost is going to be.

Whether that involves an element of regime change supported by a long term military presence... -shrug- if it does or doesn't, it's long past time to put an end to the problem. Staying there for ten or twenty years would, I'd suggest, be a mistake.




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#8 1 year ago

I really hope he knows what he's getting himself into.  Considering how the first Korean war turned out, I think a lot of people are reasonably apprehensive.  Of course things are very different now and we have a technological and strategic advantage, but Kim Jong Un seems ready to fight down to the last breath of his subjects before attempting to gain asylum in China.


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#9 1 year ago

It may be my lack of creativity, but I think Kim Jong Un was genuinely serious about launching ICBMs at America.

So the question now turns to if America has the ability to politic their way out of it. Or will America do what America does, and invade the place?


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#10 1 year ago

Korea's more of a slog if you're trying to exercise control of it rather than achieve a defined objective and then leave. If your objective was to set back the nuclear program, or to deny them the infrastructure to advance their ambitions, or cripple their formal military, I doubt it would be very hard.