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#1 12 years ago

War has worsened terror threat

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060924/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq

WASHINGTON - The Iraq war has contributed to an increased threat of terrorism, according to an intelligence assessment that has not lessened the Senate majority leader's defense of the U.S.-led invasion three years ago and occupation. The classified assessment of the war's impact on terrorism came in a National Intelligence Estimate that represents a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government, an intelligence official said Sunday. The official, confirming accounts first published in Sunday's New York Times and Washington Post, spoke on condition of anonymity because the report is classified.

The report found that the war has helped create a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

Sen. Bill Frist (news, bio, voting record), R-Tenn. said he had not seen the classified report, which was completed in April, but said Americans understand the United States must continue to fight terrorists in Iraq and elsewhere.

"Either we are going to be fighting this battle, this war overseas, or it's going to be right here in this country," Frist said on ABC's "This Week," echoing an argument that President Bush frequently makes.

Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., said in a statement that the assessment "should put the final nail in the coffin for President Bush's phony argument about the Iraq war."

"How many more independent reports, how many more deaths, how much deeper into civil war will Iraq need to fall for the White House to wake up and change its strategy in Iraq?"

A White House spokesman, Blair Jones, said "We don't comment on classified documents" and that the published accounts' "characterization of the NIE is not representative of the complete document."

Frist said, "We've got to win this war on terror, wherever it is, and it's going to be fought overseas, or if we don't win there, it's going to be fought here in the United States."

As part of the overall strategy of combating terrorism, Frist also said he expects Congress to pass legislation this week that would set rules for the interrogation and trial of suspected terrorists. The president has pressured lawmakers to put it into law before adjourning for the midterm elections.

The legislation is the result of a compromise between the White House and holdout Republican senators who had disagreed over how far the U.S. should be allowed to go to get information from suspected terrorists. The bill lists acts that would constitute a war crime, including torture, rape, biological experiments and cruel and inhuman treatment.

Frist would not say whether the legislation would ban techniques that U.S. agents reportedly have used in the past, such as simulated drowning, cold cells, prolonged standing and sleep deprivation. He also said he did not know whether the bill would prevent prosecution of North Koreans, for example, if they captured Americans and simulated drowning, a technique known as "water boarding."

"I'm not going to comment on individual techniques," Frist said. "It helps the terrorists and the reason why it helps the terrorists who are going to come and try to assassinate us and people listening to us right now."

Here are a couple of my comments towards the article:

The report found that the war has helped create a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

I like using the phrase "swatting at the hornet's nest". Nothing new with this, so lets move on.

Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., said in a statement that the assessment "should put the final nail in the coffin for President Bush's phony argument about the Iraq war."

As much of a turd as I think he is, I agree with his statement.

"How many more independent reports, how many more deaths, how much deeper into civil war will Iraq need to fall for the White House to wake up and change its strategy in Iraq?"

How is anything going to improve if Democrats don't offer an alternative "strategy"? Yes, the current strategy reeks like a septic tank, however actually offer another plan! Truth is, the White House will never "wake up" unless you offer another solution, considering they cannot do it themselves...

Frist said, "We've got to win this war on terror, wherever it is, and it's going to be fought overseas, or if we don't win there, it's going to be fought here in the United States."

So the plan is to make another country suffer our mistake? :lookaround:




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#2 12 years ago

Defeat makes your problems worse. Not sure why this is news.




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#3 12 years ago

When you go to war with someone, its pretty much common knowledge they are going to fight back with everything they got.

And if you leave them unchallenged, they are goin to fight also.


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#4 12 years ago

The point of the article is that this war was supposed to make the world "a safer place" or to "rid the world of terror", but, as a result of this war, there are now infact more acts of terror commited in the world. Yes, Saddam has been removed from power, but it is saying if the reason we went to war was to help "defeat terror" then we failed, the problem is now worse. Acts of terroism do certainly seem to have risen in the last few years, but how they would have risen without any intervention can only be speculated upon.




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#5 12 years ago
The point of the article is that this war was supposed to make the world "a safer place" or to "rid the world of terror",

If we WON. But if you lose, your enemy is stronger afterwards. So if D-Day failed, I assume you would oppose fighting the Nazis, because they came out stronger?




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#6 12 years ago

Actually, he did admit he was wrong. However, that doesn't repeal the defeat.




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#7 12 years ago

The GOP wont change plans because that would be like admitting they are wrong. And Bush would rather sacrifice 1000 more US servicemen than admit hes wrong about anything.




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#8 12 years ago

This isn't actually news, most of us know that increasing fighting against terrorism through the force of arms and invasions actually causes more terrorism. Violence & death, poverty, lack of education & ignorance are the biggest reasons for terrorism to get more followers and why it continues, even escalates. Constructive & supervised foreign aid, increasing police & intelligence cooperation and special operations are what we need in order to "win" the war on terror.

What is counted as victory in the war on terror, what it takes? Have we won the war when only x number of terrorist attacks happen, when we have taken out top 20 terrorists or when only a small minority of the people fear terrorism?




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#9 12 years ago
Machiavelli's ApprenticeIf we WON. But if you lose, your enemy is stronger afterwards. So if D-Day failed, I assume you would oppose fighting the Nazis, because they came out stronger?

You really need to start reading what I've actually written or to stop commenting on my posts.

The point of the article is that this war was supposed to make the world "a safer place" or to "rid the world of terror"



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#10 12 years ago

Haven't I been saying this in practically every thread about this "war on terror"?