The Russian 'Airforce' did this? 11 replies

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NCC1017spock

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#1 8 years ago

Okies before all my Russian friends neg rep me know this - [COLOR=cyan]THIS ISN'T AN OPINION OF MINE lol, its something I FOUND....[/COLOR] I found an article in Combat Aircraft, a monthly aircraft magazine I get all the time, about Russian Air force operations in the 2008 Georgia-Russia War, or should I say. lack there of operations :lulz:.... Combat Aircraft- Vol 11, No 10. (October 2010) page 38-39 [COLOR=red]Flying 'Paper Tigers'[/COLOR] - Written by Reuben F. Johnson (with interviews ) I'm not gona type the whole thing, but here are some of the best direct quotes I selected- (quotes [COLOR=red]1, 2, 4 & 5 [/COLOR]are from Georgian & NATO intelligence officers and agencies [most likely Georgian, American, and maybe English/German?] though the details of who side these quotes is not very forth coming, but we indeed are told to believe that these reports are accurate) [COLOR=red]1[/COLOR]: " Some Russian pilots who flew were drunk before they took off. Others purposely flew at a high altitude that made there mission ineffective, but helped them avoid the Georgian SAM's." [COLOR=red]2[/COLOR]: "Still other pilots deliberately dropped their bomb loads on empty areas away from there assigned target areas in order to avoid being shot at and then flew back to base falsely declaring 'mission accomplished.'" ( [COLOR=cyan]3[/COLOR]: Reuben F. Johnson reporting ) [COLOR=cyan]3[/COLOR]: "Of those Russian Air Force pilots who did attempt to carry out there mission orders there seems to have been little respect for the Georgian Air Defense network or overall operation common sense." [COLOR=red]4[/COLOR]: "Russian aircraft flew into South Ossetia and on each occasion - almost without fail - flew in a race track pattern around the province before flying back into Russian territory." [COLOR=red]5[/COLOR]: "The Georgians quickly caught on to the repetition of the Russian pattern and placed their air defense batteries underneath this air-borne 'race track'" - These are just some of the quotes in this article I found, note that this magazine is the most popular magazine relating to the aspects of military aircraft, air conflict/control tactics analysis, and general information on the subject) I know my Russian friends here can either help support this laughingly, or deny this report? P.S. I can not yet from an opinion of my own on there because this is either to wacky to be true or so wacky it must be true?




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#2 8 years ago

l dunno but its pretty funny stuff.Not the fact people died, but the russian pilots and there reasons for doing what they did, sort of begs the question, WHY ARE YOU IN THE MILITARY IF YOU CANT EVEN FOLLOW AN ORDER ! hahahaha nutters. l wont neg rep you buddy, and you shouldnt cop neg rep for posting what you found ina magazine, though maybe a link to the magazines web page might be handy, if there is such a thing.




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#3 8 years ago

Sounds more like Georgian trash talk based off the complete and utter embarrassment and failure of their armed forces to take over a small chunk of land with superior numbers, equipment and fire power, against a rag tag army, and a small group of peace keepers with the element of surprise.

Theres no way to confirm these "reports", but the easiest way to disbelieve them is simply by looking at whois saying them but besides that how would they know the pilots were drunk or simply given repeative flight plans, and based off how many sorties were flown and how many aircraft were shot down with them knowing the "pattern" shows how completely shitty their air defence was and why there was "little respect for the Georgian Air Defense network"




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#4 8 years ago

I saw no evidence that suggested Russia's pwning of Georgia was anything other than absurdly imbalanced in favor of the Russians. Does anyone know what Russian military casualties there were?




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#5 8 years ago
Crazy Wolf;5423168I saw no evidence that suggested Russia's pwning of Georgia was anything other than absurdly imbalanced in favor of the Russians. Does anyone know what Russian military casualties there were?

Most were peacekeepers at initial start of the conflict.

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#6 8 years ago
jackripped;5422974l dunno but its pretty funny stuff.Not the fact people died, but the russian pilots and there reasons for doing what they did, sort of begs the question, WHY ARE YOU IN THE MILITARY IF YOU CANT EVEN FOLLOW AN ORDER ! hahahaha nutters. l wont neg rep you buddy, and you shouldnt cop neg rep for posting what you found ina magazine, though maybe a link to the magazines web page might be handy, if there is such a thing.

More or less this is what I was thinking, and I was a bit suprised




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#7 8 years ago

Mihail;5423169Most were peacekeepers at initial start of the conflict.

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So, in other words, the Georgian military was about as effective as, say, The Three Stooges?




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#8 8 years ago
Crazy Wolf;5423200So, in other words, the Georgian military was about as effective as, say, The Three Stooges?

hahaha yea about that, except, the three stooges were alot funnier and far more amusing to watch !:lulz:




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#9 8 years ago

A possible scenario...

Imagine you have the next couple of days off, your squadron is on stand down and everyone has gone into town and is drinking, partying, gone home for a few days, etc.

You have been out getting a few Vodka shots and Brewski's and you are laying down sleeping it off when suddenly someone busts in and yells for everyone to scramble, grab your gear and get in the air, your at war with Georgia.

That pilot might be tipsy and still be technically drunk and in most situations be reprimanded but with a war on and most pilots away from base or gone home hes all you got.

If Russian pilots were flying a racetrack pattern could there be a reason for it?

In WW2 US P-47 and RAF Typhoon pilots flew a similar pattern called "Cab Rank". The planes flew in a racetrack pattern "orbiting" a area awaiting calls for close air support. When the call came in whoever was head of the line went in and bombed the target called out and then turned home and reloaded and refueled.

This was usually done in areas with little worry of anti aircraft fire. As stated the Georgians had nothing in the area at the time.

Russia says they lost 4 aircraft, 3 Su-25's and a TU-22 bomber. Other sources say Russia lost 9 aircraft, mostly Su-25 ground attack aircraft.

Russia says they shot down 4 Georgian aircraft, IIRC all SU-25 ground attack aircraft.

What some might call a lack of respect for Georgian Air Defenses others might call pressing home the attack.




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#10 8 years ago
Other sources say Russia lost 9 aircraft

There are no other sources there that could of reported on a overall losses besides the airforce and the Georgian goverment.




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