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Force Recon

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#1 11 years ago

Are the Islamic Courts Union really allied to al-Qaida or was it just a story cooked up by the Ethiopian and the Somali Transitional governments to gain their own interests?

are the forces fighting Ethiopian troops only Islamic insurgents or just Somali insurgents in general?from what I read people from other groups are also fighting them Ethiopians.

he Islamic Courts government was popular in Mogadishu after bringing relative order and driving out clan warlords responsible for 16 years of death and mayhem. But the US believed it looked too much like the Taliban, with its ban on music and dancing and the qat narcotic, and that it was sympathetic to al-Qaida.Washington encouraged the Ethiopian military - at the "invitation" of Somalia's interim national government which was so unpopular it was unable to remain in Mogadishu - to invade and oust the Islamic Courts administration. The new Somali government includes some of the warlords who previously caused so much destruction. A report by the Royal Institute of International Affairs said that US and Ethiopian strategic interests in supporting a weak and factionalised government that is far less popular than the Islamic Courts administration are an obstacle, not a contribution, to rebuilding Somalia.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2066641,00.html

I am sorry if there was already a thread about this;wanted to know how true these allegations of terrorism are against the ICU and whether Ethiopia is taking advantage of the current political situation across the world.I have seen a lot of countries use this rhetoric(fighting terrorism;"they are terrorists") against their usually weaker and smaller neighbours.




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#2 11 years ago

Difficult to say, I only heard about Al Qaida operating in other African countries, but then again it wouldn't surprise me if those Islamic Courts had some connections to islamists.




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#3 11 years ago

The Islamic Courts were not allied to al-Qaeda, but some judges may have been sympathetic. There was no set pattern across ICU Somalia, with the exception that all judges followed Sharia law.

The situation has just been made worse, and prolonged the suffering. Ethiopia can't afford to stay in Somalia propping up warlords and bickering politicians, either morally or economically. The AU will not be effective, if it ever arrives, and the US won't get involve in Somalia any time soon.

But the US believed it looked too much like the Taliban, with its ban... the qat narcotic

Heh. The US bans qat as well, I do hope this was not used as rationale.




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#4 11 years ago

From whaty I've read, some Al-Qaeda people linked to the embassy bombings were in hiding in Somalia, possibly with the help of the ICU or sympathetic members. Ethiopia entered after ICU troops began attacking the 'last' TFG stronghold along the Ethiopian border. Add into the mix the fact that the ICU were/are being supported by Ethiopia's arch-nemesis Eritrea and have also supported anti-government rebels in Ethiopia itself, Ethiopia decided to enter Somali and kick the shit out of the ICU and its allied groups.

So basically Ethiopia is:

  • Enforcing the UN-backed Somali Transitional Federal Government.
  • Giving the finger to Eritrea.
  • Disrupting and eliminating anti-government forces in its own territory and those that were sheltered in Somalia.
  • 'Uniting' Somalia, albeit somewhat.

Hopefully the AU will come in and provide more than the 1000 Ugandan soldiers. Ethiopia will probably leave after the various militias of Mogadishu are disarmed. These militias are often the source of the problems, I think ICU kicked them out or at least subdued them when they were in town, but they just want to keep their power and not hand it over to a rival 'clan' leading the TFG.




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#5 11 years ago

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/6600027.stm

well..I hope you are all veyr happy at what is happening to Somalia and its people. This is DEFINATLY :rolleyes: ALOT better than the peace and stability the ICU or, whatever the hell they were called, provided.

In the past FEW days 300 had been killed, and since the beginning of the year 2000, and thousands more injured. What the hell? is this REALLY better than the peace the brought in? There was NO fighting. Police were trained.. Women actually were more safe going out in public and actually getting a damned education.

Now theyre all just dieing and migrating, left and right.

Now Ethiopia is stuck(thank god) and hopefully this will be a long bloody war for them[just on the basis of them messing up the peace, they deserve it, they arent supposed to interfere with the internal politics of another country like that].




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#6 11 years ago

Merged with the other Somalia-thread.




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#7 11 years ago

Ah didnt notice there was another one..thanks.

But seriously..look at the damned situation. It is plain fact that the ICU was NOTHING like Al Qaeda and the Talibal and thier ideals and thinking.

That thing about terrorism..all puffing.




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#8 11 years ago

The ICU was being armed by Ethiopia's arch rival, Eritrea. In any future conflict against Eritrea, Ethiopia would have faced a 2-front conflict. Arming the ICU did not necessarily initiate a straight-forward military alliance against Ethiopia, but the ICU or its allied militias could have taken advantage of the situation to 'liberate' Ethiopia's Ogaden people, which was the pretext for the Ogaden War in the late 1970s.

The ICU was an interference with Ethiopia's national interest, though it provided a stable or safe environment for the people of Somalia, its war against the TFG, put its allies, Ethiopia uneasy. In any case, the TFG was UN-backed, so backing them and helping them establish rule over the country was something more of UN-backed interference, like Korean War, though not overtly backed.

Whats done is done. Ethiopia and TFG forces will eventually wipe out the ICU militias, foreign fighters and other hostile elements.




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#9 11 years ago
Whats done is done. Ethiopia and TFG forces will eventually wipe out the ICU militias, foreign fighters and other hostile elements.

Actually this prolonged conflict of destruction and deaths is so far providing more and more pool of recruits for militias :|

Somalia is in no shape to invade no Ethiopia. So why it being armed being a matter?




Artie Bucco

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#10 11 years ago

I think it will be a long protracted conflict with the ICU winning after the Transitional government loses legitimacy for being in cahoots with the Ethiopians.




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