Now before we begin this thread I feel it incumbent upon me to make clear I do not consider myself a racist person and am all for the integration of our communities until it doesn't make a difference what skin color you have. Now on to the thread proper, through out history there has been racism there is little point in denying it, but now we have a chance to put aside race and religion and to come together as one and instead the governments have bought fourth laws that induce racial hatred, a minimum quota for companies schools and universities does not mean people will be more likely to come together it does the exact opposite on one side the white man feeling himself being discriminated against (and rightly so) will know the government is being racist and on the other side the black man will feel he is not being allowed to compete with the white man. This leads to an increased racial tension and prejudice, as both sides are being discriminated against, I say enough is enough all racist related laws should be scraped, only free of this burden can we move forwards together to a better future. What are you're thoughts on the subject?
I think that the laws are basically useless. If people are racist then no amount of laws can stop what they feel. The laws just allow for descrimination of the majority instead of the minority. (although the 'minorities' seem to be the majority)
Sorry to kind of hijack this thread, but I'm posting my answer here from the other one.
AlAcomba Mike, if this obvious gifted fellow got in and you were refused because of this, how would you feel?
I would hope I would be okay with it - although because I did get in, I can answer that much easier as a hypothetical. But a lot of people don't get in - I came up for interview with a friend for the same course, and he's not bothered that he didn't make it. I certainly do feel like a bit of a shit that I got in when people like him didn't, when arguably I've done much less to deserve it.
But on your hypothetical example - if they were exactly qualified, what else should they choose on? Whether the interviewer is more attracted to one than the other? Discrimination. That they like their personality more? Discrimination. That they're better dressed? Discrimination. At the end of the day the whole interview process is about choosing from people with the same paper backgrounds and qualifications, hence an element of discrimination has to creep in somewhere. And I'd rather a guy from a minority got through because of that than if the white guy got through because he's got a nicer smile or knows more jokes. I think if you have to discriminate, and the interview process is about discriminating, discriminating on the grounds of a race or sex that traditionally has not had the same advantages as ours is as good a grounds as any.
Acomba MikeBut on your hypothetical example - if they were exactly qualified, what else should they choose on? Whether the interviewer is more attracted to one than the other? Discrimination. That they like their personality more? Discrimination. That they're better dressed?
The only fair way to decide in that case would be to flip a coin, at least that wont care what skin color you have.
That they like their personality more? That they're better dressed?
This I wouldn't class as discrimination as the person responsible for selection would naturally take these things into consideration when determining ones suitability for the position or placement.
How one performs in an interview is vital. I had an interview yesterday, and I charmed the pants off the person interviewing me. I used all of my positive traits to ensure I would be on her mind when it came to making a decision.
A personal choice such as this isn't discrimination. Choosing someone because policy dictates you *must* choose someone of a particular ethnicity is. In scenarios such as this, a person's personality or character is irrelevant.
What we have is a reversal of historical prejudice. In the past, Whites would be chosen because of their color. Now, whites are overlooked because of the color of others.
I won't deny that racism has existed for our entire history, but I will need to say that I think we (as the Human race) will never stop having racist thought or feeling. There will always be things that set races apart, tradition, land, money, etc. Look around the world, we see Muslims fighting Jews in Palestine/Israel; Hindus fighting Buddhists in Sri Lanka; Serbians, Croats, Muslims all fighting against one-another in the former Yugoslavia. Do you think these groups will ever be able to sit down together without having racist thoughts of the other. Do you think there will ever not be anti-Semites or anti-Muslims?
I've been listening to the announcements in my school, one after another there are scholarships available for pretty much every ethnic/race group other than whites, there are scholarships for people from the Carribean, Poland, Indians (from India of course), people of African descent, Metis descent. Yet I haven't heard any announcements of scholarships for people of Swiss descent or Irish, or French, only for people of (I don't want to sound racist or anything) but 'poorer' countries that have come to Canada with little money, whereas there is a common belief that people of West European descent seem to come with gold-plated pockets, half of my family came here dirt-poor from Ireland and France and the other half had enough money to be called middle-class, yet where are my scholarships? I'm beginning to sound racist I think so I won't say anymore, sorry if I offend anybody by my post.
Octovon...yet where are my scholarships? I'm beginning to sound racist I think so I won't say anymore, sorry if I offend anybody by my post.
It isn't racist. It is a valid opinion. It is something which is happening throughout the UK, and I'm sure, America/Canada too.
However, your guilt over posting such things is incredibly pertinent. White people (the decent ones) feel ashamed of having any opinion which brings inequality between races to the fore, and this is why we stand by and do nothing about it.
Your opinions, whilst not racist or discriminatory, would be seen that way by many groups.
Excuse my poor choice of words (It's late), but it fucking sucks.
I am racist, not like KKK or Nazis. I'm not going to deny it. Like you said, people of minorities get all of these scholarships, yet I have never heard of any scholarships for people of German, Irsish, or French descent. There are even special graduation parties for minorities. Recently a Chaldean student died over Spring Break so the school and the community set up donations and things for his family. I don't see a problem with that. But 2 years ago, a white student with a disability, I'm not quite sure what it was, died and all the school and the community did was have a small vigil outside of his house. I know that people are just trying to make minorities and foreigners feel that they have the same privileges as white folk, but they are starting to make us feel that we are getting less priveleges than them. The worst thing is is that most of the people I know who are part of a minority aren't even thankful for what they get from this country, but if they would have stayed where they came from they might be dead right now.
I think I'll just have to agree to disagree with all of you on this. I don't think we any of us belong to a truly discriminated race. If any of you chose to go to India, for example, just being white or having an education in a Western country, however poor, would all but guarantee you a job, and a good one at that.
Speaking for myself, I have a comfortable life, a good education, money to spend, and my race dominates business, government and the media... and I've done nothing to deserve any of it. I can't help but feel that someone who's parents came here in the '50s and has worked themselves up to where I am deserves to be there a hell of a lot more than me.
I don't grudge some positive discrimination if, in the long run, it ends up naturally balancing relations between the races. The idea is that you have to legislate to put minorities above majority races because otherwise they will be discriminated against. Until there is natural balance and real equality, this will have to happen. Some of you don't agree, I know that, and I don't consider you racist for it. I just think perhaps you should look around you, and then take another look at statements such as 'the white male is the most discriminated against person on the planet.'
Until we ignore the issue of race, we will never have a completely integrated society, which they try to promote using these laws, surely that alone should be reason to scrap them? As for someone's parents having worked their way up, that's all very well, but that person isn't their parents and you have worked just as hard as that person and have had the same or sometimes inferior opportunities.