The Trouble with Democracy 86 replies

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Nordicvs VIP Member

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#1 13 years ago

[color=black]What's wrong with democracy?[/color] [color=black]There is no simple answer. I think there are many things wrong with it. Many threads lately have digressed into a "democracy's the best--democracy sucks" debate, so I'm starting a thread specifically for this subject.[/color] [color=black]Some things that have been on my mind for a while:[/color] [color=black]--Do people really have a voice? [/color] [color=black]--Are we really equal? [/color] [color=black]--Can any politician be trusted anymore? [/color] [color=black]--Why is the word "captitalism" or "consumerism" synonymous with "democracy?"[/color] [color=black]--Is this system really the best that we can come with up?[/color] [color=black]I'd really like to hear people's opinions on this...what problems, if any, do you see with democracy? Does it really work at all? Is it completely perfect, in your view? Does it need some fixing? Or does it need to be replaced? If so, with what?[/color] [color=black]Discuss, please.[/color] [color=black]Cheers...[/color]




WiseBobo

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#2 13 years ago

People are just too stupid to vote.




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#3 13 years ago

Anyway, We are based on money, and it tends to fail if we mess up the economy... No, we are not equal if you would look at the Homosexual bashing and there is still racist movements against the blacks today... Blah im not really good with discussing about this matter... im not too politcial. :p




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#4 13 years ago

[color=black]--Do people really have a voice? [/color] [color=black]Yes. Whether anybody listens to them is another matter.[/color] [color=black]--Are we really equal? [/color] [color=black]I think it's fairly obvious that we aren't. Inherently humans, nor any other animals for that matter, aren't 'equal', but the fact that we have affirmative action/positive discrimination programs is a good indicator of how equal we really are on the political front too. [/color] [color=black]Justice is based on how much you can afford to pay for a lawyer who is good at finding loopholes. And this is coming from a strong supporter of capitalism -- justice should have nothing to do with how much money you have. Wealth does not equate to innocence.[/color] [color=black]--Can any politician be trusted anymore? [/color] [color=black]Could politicians be trusted in the first place? Perhaps the whole point of democracy is to question politicians at every turn, scrutinise every action they make, punish them for mistakes and praise them for positive things? As things stand at the moment, few people actually care enough about politics to bother trying to hold politicians to account.[/color] [color=black]Should we trust a person who makes a career out of 'spin' just to gain power over others? People who are repeatedly proven to be compulsive liars, who wouldn't know the truth if it was a goldfish named Jeff that slapped them in the face continually for five weeks? If you do, I'm going to laugh when they screw you over.[/color] [color=black]--Why is the word "captitalism" or "consumerism" synonymous with "democracy?" [/color] [color=black]Capitalism is an economic system. Democracy is a political system. You can have a political system based upon the foundation of an economic system if you really want to, but the two concepts aren't mutually exclusive. If you meant 'freedom' instead of democracy, then yes. Capitalism is necessary for true freedom. People should choose whether to help the needy, not be forced to give up their possessions whether they want to or not. Communism is neither a utopia nor a free society.[/color] But you can have civil and economic freedoms in a dictatorship. It rarely, if ever, works out that way, but it's possible. Democracy only deals with political freedoms. [color=black]--Is this system really the best that we can come with up?[/color] All systems have flaws. The best you can do for the moment is work to improve the system you have. We can probably come up with a better system for electing and controlling politicians, for instance, which better represents the people and minorities especially. If I knew what that was, I'd be a corrupt politician myself, trying to earn power by pleasing the people with a fairer election system. I personally would like to see the government have less power over the people. A lot less. The government should be there just to make sure everything works. They're system administrators, basically. They should have bosses -- us. At the moment the best thing we have to control them with is a vote, and even that is subject to corruption. I have seen a few alternatives thrown around. I have a feeling that as technology improves, there will be more chance for direct democracy, or even better systems, rather than representative democracy. We could even get rid of politicians altogether, a prospect I'm sure they'd make every effort to block. For now though, direct democracy is a practical impossibility. Which means we have to put up with things like compulsory identity cards.




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#5 13 years ago

The problem with democracy is it hasn't existed since ancient Greece. Not pure democracy, anyway. For instance, the United States is not a democracy, it's a republic. Most people falsly think it is indeed a democracy, but the Pledge of Allegiance says it all. "...and to the Republic for which it stands..." I say we got back to being nomads and just forget about civilization!




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#6 13 years ago
Nordicvs [color=black]--Do people really have a voice? [/color]

Yes. Unfortunately, we think that our voice needs to be in tune. That is, people match their tones to their surroundings. Politics has gotten shrill, so only those with the loudest, most abrasive voices are heard. This is less a failure of democracy than it is a failure of society. We let things get this way by getting bored with polite, effective governance, and getting angry at anything that seemed foreign to our experience.

[color=black]--Are we really equal? [/color]

No. But we're equal enough. Sure, rich, powerful people dominate the system. That's what happens. But little people have a say too.

[color=black]--Can any politician be trusted anymore? [/color]

Yes. All political figures ought to be trusted. However, they ought to be held accountable. This is our failure. We let the cheaters cheat, and suddenly cheating's the name of the game. Campaign finance legislation that limits the power of advertizing and an education system that emphasizes personal research.

[color=black]--Why is the word "captitalism" or "consumerism" synonymous with "democracy?"[/color]

Because as democracy is the most free form of government, capitialism is the most free form of economy. It fertilizes individual rights, which strengthes democracy. Now, like democracy, accountability to the people is the key issue. Therefore, the economy must be regulated to prevent fraud and embezzlement, as well as preventing corporate domination. Corporate domination is as bad as pure socialism. Why? Because it stifles competition, and therefore innovation.

[color=black]--Is this system really the best that we can come with up?[/color]

Yes. It retains the highest amount of personal freedoms, while retaining the level of structure necessary to maintain civil society and provide needed public services.




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#7 13 years ago

there are lots of problems with democracy but its that way with every form of government and democracy right now is the best form of government that we have




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#8 13 years ago

Democracy/Capitalism is best for the following reasons:

*You CAN get rich if you have connections and are at the "right place at the right time".

*People are free to do what they please with limited restrictions

*You get options on the presidency, regardless of how poor the choices may be (*hint* last election :rolleyes: ).

That's all I can think of for now...




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#9 13 years ago

Having feelings of not being able to trust yourself? Your fellow man? Have no fear, for ADOLPH is here! Go Adolph, it's yo' birthdate, we're gonna party like it's yo' birthdate:




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#10 13 years ago

Looks like Wisebobo has become a spammer...