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#1 12 years ago

Self immolation. Self-immolation is the act of setting oneself on fire, most often in political protest. I cannot believe that somone can set their self on fire, it just blows my mind! How could someone do that and not even make a cry? Try to put themselves out? Thích Quảng Đức is the most famous one. Thích Quảng Ðức was protesting against the way the administration of the President Ngo Dinh Diem was oppressing the Buddhist religion, he set himself on fire at a busy saigon intersection in 1963. He stepped out of his car, sat in a meditative poition, doused himself with gasoline, and lit himself on fire.

I was to see that sight again, but once was enough. Flames were coming from a human being; his body was slowly withering and shriveling up, his head blackening and charring. In the air was the smell of burning human flesh; human beings burn surprisingly quickly. Behind me I could hear the sobbing of the Vietnamese who were now gathering. I was too shocked to cry, too confused to take notes or ask questions, too bewildered to even think.... As he burned he never moved a muscle, never uttered a sound, his outward composure in sharp contrast to the wailing people around him.

Amazing stuff, ain't it? People who practiced self immolation:

Wikipedia Self immolation, whilst not tolerated in anything but extraordinary circumstances by Buddhism and Hinduism, was practiced by religious or philosophical monks, especially in India, throughout the ages, for various reasons, including political protest, devotion, renouncement, etc. Certain warrior cultures also practiced it, such as in the case of Rajputs. A number of Buddhist monks, including Thích Quảng Đức, self-immolated in protest of the discriminatory treatment endured by Buddhists under the regime of Ngo Dinh Diem in South Vietnam — even though violence against the self is discouraged by most interpretations of Buddhist doctrine. Four Americans immolated themselves in 1965, in protest of the Vietnam War; the first was Alice Herz, an 82 year old German immigrant who performed the act in downtown Detroit on March 16, 1965, prior to the University of Michigan Teach-in. The second was Norman Morrison, who performed the act after reading an article by a missionary about the destruction of a Vietnamese village by napalm. The third was Roger Allen LaPorte, in front of the United Nations building in New York City on November 9, 1965. At the time, he was a 22-year old Catholic Worker Movement member. On May 10, 1970, twenty-three-year-old George Winne Jr. immolated himself on the campus of the University of California, San Diego. He left a sign saying "In the Name of God, stop the war". On 8 September 1968, Polish lawyer and former soldier of Armia Krajowa Ryszard Siwiec burned himself during an official Communist ceremony in the main stadium of Warsaw protesting against the Warsaw Pact intervention in Czechoslovakia in August 1968. Five months later, in January 1969, Jan Palach immolated himself in Prague to protest against the recent Soviet military backlash against the reforming "Prague Spring" movement. On 19 September 1970, the Basque nationalist Joseba Elosegui threw himself ablaze against the Spanish dictator Francisco Franco, who was presiding a game of the world pelota championship in the Anoeta court of San Sebastián. Elosegui was arrested and Franco was not harmed. Romas Kalanta self-immolated as a protest against Russia (Soviet Union) occupying Lithuania on 14 May 1972. This triggered a student uprising in Kaunas. On April 7, 1989, the pro-Taiwan independence publisher Cheng Nan-jung self-immolated rather than submitting himself to arrest for having published a draft of the Republic of Taiwan constitution. His action was soon followed by the self-immolation of another activist during Cheng's funeral procession. In 1990, Rajiv Goswami self-immolated in protest against implementation of job and University education reservations for backward castes to the extent of 27% in addition to the existing quotas of 22.5% in India, as recommended by the Mandal Commission. This sparked a series of the same by other college students and led to a formidable movement against implementing the policy. On February of 1991, UMass Amherst student Greg Levey set himself on fire on the Amherst, Massachusetts town common in protest of the Gulf War. [1] In the 1990s several South Korean students also chose to self-immolate in the waves of mass protests against the country's then authoritarian government. On October 23, 1996, West Philadelphian activist Kathy Change self-immolated to protest "the present government and economic system and the cynicism and passivity of the people," as she said in her suicide note. MIT student Elizabeth Shin may have committed suicide in this manner. During the trial of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Prime Minister of Pakistan, one person in Sargodha self-immolated. On January 23, 2001 a group of people self-immolated in Tiananmen Square, Beijing, China. The group were allegedly practitioners of the Chinese spiritual movement Falun Gong; however, this is disputed by Falun Gong supporters, who claim it was a setup by the Chinese government as a part of the ongoing crackdown on the movement. In a month in 2003 six people set themselves on fire in the Czech Republic, with four dying and two suffering severe burns. Most of the cases were in Prague. According to suicide notes the reason was a depression from the contemporary situation of the world.

Question is, if you had the reason to do it, could you?




Delta Force

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#2 12 years ago
Baked PotatoQuestion is, if you had the reason to do it, could you?

Why the hell would I light myself on fire to prove a point? Threating to light someone or something else on fire would work pretty well, as would torching buldings.

So the answer is no.




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#3 12 years ago

I wouldnt, ever.. it doesnt make any sense to me.




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#4 12 years ago

In short...hell no!:rolleyes:




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#5 12 years ago

wow some of the people that did that were czechs. one was protesting the prague spring then in 2003 6 people did it because of the current state of the world. i think they were complaining about the quality of beer going down.:confused: people can do anything they want with their life.




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#6 12 years ago

Considering I doubt the existance of an after life, you may have to put me down for a 'no'... Wouldn't a better protest be to burn the people you're protesting against? :p




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#7 12 years ago

that has to be the dumbest way to protest i have ever heard of


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#8 12 years ago

I don't think so at all, when i first heard of it, yeah, I thought it was retarded! But to care so strongly about something that you would do that to yourself to make it stop...




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#9 12 years ago
Delta ForceThreating to light someone or something else on fire would work pretty well, as would torching buldings.

That is assasination, and rioting, very different than protesting.




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#10 12 years ago

I doubt it is effective in the long run, other than gaining possible public support, it certainly won't change the minds of policy makers. Would I do it? Hell no.