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Joe Bonham

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#1 9 years ago
A complete ban on tobacco in the military is needed but would likely take about 20 years, according to a new Institute of Medicine study commissioned by the departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs. The ban is possible if the DOD begins to “close the pipeline of new tobacco users entering the military” and slowly cuts off supplies of cigarettes and smokeless tobacco, the Committee on Smoking Cessation in Military and Veteran Populations found in its study, which was released Friday. The DOD and VA asked the institute for recommendations on how to deal with smoking among servicemembers. The study gives a bleak account of the health and financial toll tobacco takes on the military, which has nearly twice the smoking rate of the civilian population. More than 30 percent of servicemembers smoke or use tobacco, though smokeless tobacco use is less certain. Those people are more likely to drop out of basic training, have poor vision, leave the service within the first year, get sick and miss work, according to the study findings. The 15-member committee of doctors and health care professionals said the best way to reduce the problem is to eliminate it through a phased-in tobacco ban across the services. [Stars & Stripes] There has been a steady flow of stories coming out over the years such as servicemembers who smoke are more likely to wash out of the service, that will probably ultimately lead to smoking being banned at some point. I find this interesting because smoking though I do not like it, is no where near the problem that drinking is. How many servicemembers have committed smoking related incidents compared to the number of alcohol related incidents like DUI’s? How many sexual assault cases has there been due to alcohol? How many physical assault cases has there been due to alcohol? How many work hours are lost every year to the Army due to leadership dealing with alcohol related incidents and servicemembers having to attend substance abuses classes? The list goes on and on and you see no one wanting to ban alcohol. I will take a smoker over an alcoholic any day. Here is GI Korea’s plan to addressing the smoking issue. The military has so many smokers because it is the easiest way to sham out of work. The laziest soldiers I know are all smokers who hide in the smoke shack and they hide there because the people in charge of them smoke to and are in the same smoke shack. Just about every soldier that I know of who gets into trouble is a smoker. There has been an on going effort in the military to have smokers go to a far off designated point to smoke. The smokers actually loves this because going off to a far off smoke shack removes them from work that much longer. What the army needs to do is limit the number of smoke breaks to one in the morning for 10 minutes and one in the afternoon for 10 minutes and implement a sign in and sign out roster to track it. If the soldier has to go through a lot of hurdles to take a smoke break that will cut the number of smokers because many of them smoke just to get out of work. I’m not saying that everyone that smokes is trying to sham out of work because there are plenty of hard working people who smoke (usually older servicemembers); I’m just saying there are a lot of smokers who are shamming and the younger soldiers who do not smoke see this and start smoking simply to get out of work like the rest of the shammers.

Will the US Military Ban Smoking? | ROK Drop How about these "advocates" mind their own damn business? I'm not a "shammer" just because I want to step outside the tent and smoke a cig. And what's that bullshit about smokers "washing out"? I've NEVER heard of anyone having to leave the military because of his smoking habit. NEVER. The only reason this whole movement is happening is because we have underworked captains and colonels who can't keep their noses out of other people's personal lives.




Ryuukotseiz_SITHLORD

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#2 9 years ago
Bohemund;4959618Will the US Military Ban Smoking? | ROK Drop How about these "advocates" mind their own damn business? I'm not a "shammer" just because I want to step outside the tent and smoke a cig. And what's that bullshit about smokers "washing out"? I've NEVER heard of anyone having to leave the military because of his smoking habit. NEVER. The only reason this whole movement is happening is because we have underworked first sergeants, lt's, captains and colonels who can't keep their noses out of other people's personal lives.

It would be a bad idea, even though I know how bad smoking is, it's your own choice to smoke, you CAN'T protect everybody or forcefully prevent them from using Tobacco. What are we communists? Nazis?




Joe Bonham

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#3 9 years ago

It's just a power trip. You see it in the corporate world too. An officer/ceo has the power to force his beliefs on everyone else, so he does it.




Noxstant

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#4 9 years ago

Men and women of the armed forces should be given more freedom when it comes to things like that. Not less.




Who_Flung_Poo?

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#5 9 years ago

So they can't smoke themselves into a slow cancer, but they can be sent off to die for some rich suit so his stocks can go up 2 points? Go go America!




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#6 9 years ago

With all due respect to the higher ups...stuff it.

The soldier in the field wants a cig to calm his nerves and relieve stress and by dammed if he has balls to sign up and go over and get shot and risk his life he or she has earned the right to a smoke break.

BTW I dont smoke but I am not willing to take away the right of those that do.




Nemmerle Forum Mod

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#7 9 years ago

That's going to do wonders for the recruiting quota.




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#8 9 years ago

The Armed Forces fight for freedom. I think being able to smoke a ciggy is not only part of that freedom, but also a miniscule part of what their country owes them.




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#9 9 years ago

I can understand why an army would prefer to have only non-smokers. The method of banning it over a time of 20 years by changing their recruiting policies seems fair too. Those who are smoking now probably won't be affected and the new recruits get to choose what's more important to them.

To complain about the lack of freedom in an army seems strange to me. If you're a big fan of individuality and of choices why would you want to join a club of people who are required to follow orders all the time anyway?




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#10 9 years ago

Send them to Iraq to smoke, they can't screw over that country any more can they?