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NiteStryker

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#11 10 years ago
Ryuukotseiz_SITHLORD;4959624It would be a bad idea, even though I know how bad smoking is, it's your own choice to smoke, you CAN'T protect everybody or forcefully prevent them from using Tobacco.

My dad is a respitory doctor, so I dont smoke and I know exactly how bad it is for you.

Everyone I know smokes, and I prolly have gotten some bad undetected problems caused from secondhand smoke.

All the people who smoke have slower run times than the people who do not. So it obviously has some affects on your physical performance.

I also dont like that I am subjected to peoples' smoke simply because I am forced to be around them and thus exposed to it.

And im tired of picking up cigerette butts.

I welcome this ban. And it wouldnt take 20 years. You could do it within 6. Start pulling tobacco products off the shelves with cigarettes first, and then chewing tobacco. I really dont even mind chewing tobacco that much, cuz it doesnt bother me. But smoking does.

6 years is the longest active-service contract, so people that are set to go into Boot Camp tomorrow would have the choice to still back out.




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#12 10 years ago

People could say the same thing about people who eat potato chips. They're fattening, they cause people to go out of shape, and if I see someone eating potato chip, I usually end up wanting some too.

It's just ridiculous. We treat veterans like shite, and many americans don't like people in the military (baby killers, etc). Smoking is a comfort, and some idiots want to take it away? Screw them.

People taking this liberal thing way too far and seriously.




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#13 10 years ago

Bohemund;4959618I'm not a "shammer" just because I want to step outside the tent and smoke a cig.[/QUOTE] Perhaps, but there probably are others around you that are.

At least a few years ago smoking was the best way to get yourself some extra rest and stay away from work, so quite a few actually started their smoking careers in the military. The pro-smoking agenda couldn't have been more obvious even if they had openly advertised smoking; whenever it was time for a smoke break none-smokers at most got to stay put somewhere uncomfortable whilst the smokers moved to a place in the shade to sit down for a cigarette. :uhm:

[QUOTE=NiteStryker;4960784] I also dont like that I am subjected to peoples' smoke simply because I am forced to be around them and thus exposed to it.

Agreed. At the very least they should ban smoking around others, it's not fair to force people to be on the same truck bed or in the same tent as smokers and thus inhale the smoke for hours, although you sometimes are allowed to sleep outside the tent, you certainly are not allowed to leave a truck unless ordered to, nor to open the tarpaulin.




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#14 10 years ago

I can't see the big deal, as a minimumI'd expect smoking to be banned when around coworkers (in this case fellow soldiers) to stop second hand smoking. And that they pefer non smokers and intend to apply this when recruiting new soldiers sounds fair and reasonable enough for the obvious reasons of health and it's long and short term effects.

I could understand people getting upset if they would ban smoking al together (including designated smoking breaks in designated areas, no smoing evne while offduty etc.) over night but that's not the case here.

As for food and alcohol problems; The same applies to an extend, if you eat unhealthy on a daily basis it will affect your health. As with a heavy smoker your stanima will likely to be a lot worse. Though I expect that unfit people alread drop out during their training or take-in health tests. More over, unhealthy food doesn't affect other's around you. I don't get fat from you eating a ton of fastfood.

same with alcohol: You can't drink second hand, and if done on moderation it should not have any effect on your abilities what so ever. HEavy drinkers (read: alcoholics) obviously aren't fit for service. If one becomes an alcoholic during service you could be assisted in being cured from your alcohol problem.

Sure, a very limited amount of smoking (1-2 sig a month (just pulling a number)? aka the "occasional smoker during festivities and events" ) shouldn't really affect your health either (though do mind that it takes a lot of time for your lungs to fully restore so even at that rate you would gradually, damage your health (perhaps say smokig a sig 1-2 a year?). But at that rate nobody would probably know you would "smoke' anyway and not really classify you as a "smoker'.




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#15 10 years ago
Admiral Donutz;4961157 Sure, a very limited amount of smoking (1-2 sig a month (just pulling a number)? aka the "occasional smoker during festivities and events" ) shouldn't really affect your health either (though do mind that it takes a lot of time for your lungs to fully restore so even at that rate you would gradually, damage your health (perhaps say smokig a sig 1-2 a year?). But at that rate nobody would probably know you would "smoke' anyway and not really classify you as a "smoker'.

That is possible, but then again not very likely, most smokers from what I've seen have a tough time quitting even with those patches and even when they do quit they sometimes go back anyway. If your going to smoke one, then your probably going to smoke another (My Mom tried smoking once she was with her new boyfriend, its been like what 3 years since that and she's been off and on trying to quit, and when she does try to quit she's always so stressed). Simply put these people would be as rare, or rarer then the people who are somehow immune to the effects of smoking so they smoke anyway.




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#16 10 years ago

I can understand why they would impose this new rule on the military. They're looking for the most physically fit and healthiest recruits for service. It's why the first 2 weeks of basic are usually just 'weed out' periods where the instructors are the most hostile towards the recruits to weed out the weak and unmotivated. Agree with this decision or not, smoking IS bad for your health. You cannot argue that point. I think it's a bit silly to ban smoking outright when you can simply put designated smoking areas in camps and bases. But hey, when you join the service and sign the contract, it's jokingly referred to signing your life away. Because you're basically releasing all civilian rights and freedoms to join the service where you get a different sort of freedom and rights. They are most certainly not the same.


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#17 10 years ago

The Walrus;4960934People could say the same thing about people who eat potato chips. They're fattening, they cause people to go out of shape, and if I see someone eating potato chip, I usually end up wanting some too. [/QUOTE] But you eating a potato chip doesnt affect MY health. If people only used chewing tobacco and threw away their own fucking spit bottles, I wouldnt care. But smoking affects me and I am not the one who does it.

The Walrus;4960934 It's just ridiculous. We treat veterans like shite, and many americans don't like people in the military (baby killers, etc). Smoking is a comfort, and some idiots want to take it away? Screw them.

Ok but what about MY comfort? Why are they entitled to their comfort habit and I have to suffer the effects?

[QUOTE=The Walrus;4960934] People taking this liberal thing way too far and seriously.

You already have to quit for 3 months for boot camp, why not just hold that up anyway?




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#18 10 years ago
Ok but what about MY comfort? Why are they entitled to their comfort habit and I have to suffer the effects?

Which is why the government has recently started setting designated smoking zones so they don't disturb nonsmokers.

Just because one group of people gets their panties in a wad doesn't mean we should make the other group miserable. A compromise could and should be made.




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#19 10 years ago

I think banning it in the military is long overdue.

All that peer pressure to dip with the other guys, one little thing like that leads to a life-long habit.

And isn't the military all about sacrifice and discipline anyways? Less temptation, the better.

Maybe only NCOs should be able to light or dip up. Charge em though, like 50% more than civilians. Help pay for the war effort.




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#20 10 years ago

N88TR;4963354

Maybe only NCOs should be able to light or dip up. Charge em though, like 50% more than civilians. Help pay for the war effort.

Eh I dont know if thats fair. Thats saying "I can do this cuz I have been in longer and done more". Not really proper leadership by example.